[P2P-F] P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 10, Issue 37

[michael gurstein]

The problem Natalie is that the libertarians/tea baggers would destroy the
only modality through which citizens can exert their will and do something
about the mess... 
 
The corporations aren't going to do it obviously, so who/what else other
than a responsive and responsible government can act as a means for citizens
to exert their power in a democracy.
 
Citizens need a structure to work through to exercise their power. To
destroy government and sanctify corporate structures is to fall for the
shell game that the Wall Street mob and their cronies are trying fob off as
a political/economic theory.
 
The fact that the existing structures are corrupted means that the task of
making them suitable for exercising this will is rather more difficult and
long term but as Maggie Thatcher would say TINA.
 
M
 

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You can increase your effectiveness Nicholas-by encouraging capitalists who
are against criminal crony behavior to join in against the fraud and lies of
the common enemy-Wall Street Do that by helping to make peace out there and
not drive away the libertarians & moderate tea baggers/populists. The media
(paid for by Wall Street) is using this protest to divide & destroy
 
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Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [P2P-F] P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 10, Issue 37
 

there is plenty of nihilist Leftist critique out there also 
 
especially from the dinosaur vertical Marxists who have a big problem with
the anarchic inspired bottom up processes common to these
anti-capialist/alter-globalization movements
 
in Europe there is a lot more big tent solidarity then on display in the
US... 
 
too many old Marxists, who should just shut up and send food parcels,
instead whinge about discipline and have created a mini industry critiquing
the publications of the movements
 
the old, crusty, seedy Marxists, always say, "There is No Left in the USA".
Now its obviously not true, they say "There is no Real, Rigorous,
Dialectically Sophisticated, Disciplined Left in the USA"
 


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can I just make a general swing at the keyboard intellectuals.  
 
get of your arses and get down the places where people are gathering and get
involved in the process
 
its real easy to sit at home and read the amatuer, naive, often foolish
media that comes out of these media events and spectacles
 
even easier to type-up scathing nihilist critiques about the failure of the
Left, the faults of the young, the weakness of the institutions etc etc etc
etc etc
 
there is plenty of material, and its been done, too much
 
now is a time, to actually do something, and its time to be an organic
intellectual and participate in the messy, smelly, noisy, uncomfortable
realities of these kinds of democratic actions
 
soon enough it will dissipate, and you can go back to eating the shit
sandwhich of Amercian life
 
but today, and for the next few days, there is something happening worth
participating in
 
take your intellect, your knowledge, your experience and GO HELP
 


Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Fw: Cheap "Jibe" at Protestors.... (robert searle)



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