[P2P-F] #Occupy resource request

Mon Oct 3 12:12:27 CEST 2011

I think NGs assessment is too simplistic, and over-emotive. Ofcourse, bankers are after profits even when it comes to environmental issues...that is their business!! Thus, any system to channel their profit motives must be carefully thought out ...especially if it deals with "higher ethical"  concerns. I believe though it is possible to work with such business people in an enlightened way (via TFE) as indicated in one of my previous posts...

.....and it must be remembered  that even "banksters" have wives, and children.....Let us try, and move away from a "them", and "us" scenario....rather than try to "dehumanize" them....

RS.

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From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
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Sent: Sunday, 2 October 2011, 9:05
Subject: Re: [P2P-F] #Occupy resource request

info on the topic here http://p2pfoundation.net/Cap_and_Trade with some alternatives like cap and share, http://p2pfoundation.net/Cap_and_Share

and more at : http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Policy

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net> wrote:

Very well aware of cap and trade-it's yet another device by which banksters,
>pols, and crony capitalists can work in conjunction to steal while
>pretending to protect the environment...Another very good reason why it
>Shouldn't be included in the protesters platform.There are many groups that
>can come together against Wall Street thieves. You want to hold them
>together, not fracture a building alliance.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ideasinc at ee.net
>Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:46 PM
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>Subject: Re: [P2P-F] #Occupy resource request
>
>Dear Natalie,
>
>while I understand your selectivity, one of the promoted non-solutions is
>based upon establishing a derivative trading of greenhouse gas emissions
>credits, by which the banksters want to add to their profits and
>commissions. It is called "Cap and Trade. It seems less immediate, though
>it is cut from the same cloth as the theology of the not so free market.
>Second, I'd wager that the elimination of the fractional reserve
>requirements and the generation of massive profits through the debt based
>and privatized issuance of currency, is a major means in driving the
>majority of the population to extract wealth from the commons. The fishing
>industry and mining being two important examples at this level. If we
>operated on a asset and sovereign issuance standard, it is certain that we
>would have to labor far less to satisfy the bankster greed though the
>elimination of the fractional leveraging and compound interest.
>
>The banking franchise also allows the banksters to decide who gets loans
>and on what terms, and thereby both providing incentives for self dealing
>and determining the basic structure of otherwise sovereign economies. This
>shows up also in the deregulation of environmental controls thus also in
>despoiling the commons in yet another way.
>
>A narrow focus is better as a point of entry. At Re-Imagining Economics in
>the flyers and paper section I have posted about 40 different one sheet
>flyers on a variety of economics and monetary topics, which you or anyone
>else are free to down load. We use them when we do public education work
>locally, and I have shipped boxes of these flyers to different related
>conferences.
>
>in cooperation, Tadit
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:05:38 -0400, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>> LEAVE OUT GLOBAL WARMING. This has nothing to do with bankster issues
>> and will alienate many that bolster the movement.
>>
>> From: Lew Schwartz
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:49 AM
>> To: p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org
>> Subject: [P2P-F] #Occupy resource request
>>
>> I'm in an informal group who are looking to develop a public list of
>> demands for the #occupy groups. We're thinking it should take the form
>> of a wiki and are looking for a site to host it. Is this something p2p
>> can do and how would I go about getting vouched?
>>
>> -Lew S
>>
>>
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