[P2P-F] Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City

Mon Oct 3 05:13:05 CEST 2011

I am not captivated by labels, and wonder how you come to the conclusion I'm 
an authoritarian when I support ideals that reject any central 
authority-whether it derives from a dictator, a government or crony 
capitalist bosses & their bankers. Many died in prison camps. I never said 
anything about Reich dying in jail. Perhaps you have me confused with 
another person who doesn't find his reputation compelling.

-----Original Message----- 
From: ideasinc at ee.net
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You seem to have your own investment in labels and attribution by
association, which overall perpetrates the same sin you have declared as
inappropriate. Were you aware that Reich died in prison, not jail, for
"contempt of court" and that his books were widely burned in the from
about 1950 in the US. The Mass Psychology of Fascism was published in
1933, before he immigrated to the US. As a study it is only thinly related
to his later work relative to sexual energy, Orogone. Sexual repression at
that point was only a part of his social psychological analysis of
authoritarian cultures. So who else will be guilty of your attributions of
unintelligent and irrelevant or worse. Sounds like authoritarianism to me.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:09:41 -0400, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net>
wrote:

> Reich was the darling of "soft" academia in the 60's. I find him
> irrelevant
> as well as unappealing. My preference is the recent and pragmatic Eric
> Hoffer- a man of the people. The totalitarian left has murdered more, and
> caused far more economic despair than the Fascist right. Dictators demand
> unitary power/control to engineer/impose their egotistical world-views.
> Fascist corporatism has many more voices and simpler motives. My "take"
> on
> Libertarianism is that it couldn't be a mask for its own gain- because
> there
> are no real leaders-no central authority. We ask for a limited,
> intelligent
> and competent political structure that will act as honest watch-dog,
> moderator, umpire, referee- to negotiate competing demands in a
> free-market
> society. The rewriting of the Interstate Commerce Clause helped removed
> govt
> from local democratic control. Abuses contributing to the current crisis
> have been the result of collusion among global corporate and political
> leaders with the eager assistance of an unethical financial community.
> From: ideasinc at ee.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:47 AM
> To: P2P Foundation mailing list
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City
>
> Natalie,
> Wilhelm Reich wrote an excellent book, that generally is ignored. The
> title is the "Mass Psychology of Fascism." it is based upon his direct
> experience of the rise of Nazi fascism in Germany and of his direct
> contact with Stalinist communists which he also describes as a form of
> fascism. Then there are the various degrees of totalitarianism. Both are
> very similar by the enforced conformity to authority. "Libertarianism" as
> a concept has also been used to provide an acceptable appearance for
> other
> forms of authoritarianism, most notably the siege against small "d"
> democracy and the role of governance to protect and preserve the commons
> in its many forms. The Libertarian Party in the US has been gathering
> point for nominal conservatives who operate to diminish the commons in
> multiple contexts. Sticking to the outcomes and objectives as would be
> expected in a democratic process does seem like a better way to define
> and
> sustain an open process. Yes, there is a substantial potential problems
> when appearance and labels are accepted as either adequate or applicable.
> In short you, imo, are quite correct in being suspicious of labeling as
> basis for political correctness.
>
> Tadit
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:19:19 -0400, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Declaration will cause movement to lose a lot of support. You may say
>> you don’t care about Libertarians anyway-not very democratic attitude.
>> When the Left gets going it’s more frightening than the Corporatocracy
>>
>> From: Michel Bauwens
>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:14 AM
>> To: p2p-foundation
>> Cc: Amaia Arcos
>> Subject: [P2P-F] Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City
>>
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City
>>
>> Dear Amaia, can you publish this on our blog?
>>
>> Michel
>
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