[P2P-F] Product Maximizing Corporations (was: "corporateperson")

Fri Nov 25 20:05:21 CET 2011

Nothing has to be, but what do you mean by "educated and responsible
citizenry" - how does that come about? - and what do you mean by
"democracy" - what is that?

Is not the very concept of modern/capitalist democracy a system to
prevent the citizenry from influence and maximise capital interests?

On 25/11/11 17:50, Natalie Golovin wrote:
> Govts don't have to be owned and operated by Corporations. Its up to an 
> educated and responsible citizenry to maintain sound govt or democracy will 
> fail. Yes, Co-Ops are wonderful-wish there were more of them.  Suggest you 
> undertake more rigorous study re scarcity-marginal costs-risks etc.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Patrick Anderson
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:16 AM
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> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Product Maximizing Corporations (was: 
> "corporateperson")
> 
> Natalie Golovin wrote:
>> That's where Government comes in..the role of referee/umpire.
> 
> But governments are owned and operated by the corporations.
> 
> And why are the corporations (and governments) against us?
> 
> Because they seek too keep Price above Cost, which requires scarcity,
> and in the end, even purposeful destruction.
> 
> For example: ""Belgian farmers dump milk in massive protest"" --
> http://YouTube.com/watch?v=pDAjMcDWDZ0
> 
> Profit cannot survive during abundance, and so it is easy to see why
> we do not get very far - with corporations pretending to want to solve
> problems, but simultaneously being required to pay their investors
> with Profit which can only remain while the consumers are being
> subjugated and permanent solutions withheld.
> 
> This paradox can be resolved by choosing consumers to be the
> investors, and to compensate that risk with the Product itself.   This
> would allow such corporations to truly solve problems and they would
> be on 'our' side because 'they' and 'we' would be one and the same.
> 
> When the owner of a milk-cow intends to sell the milk, then he hopes
> all other providers are destroyed, for then Price will be far above
> Cost.
> 
> But when the owner of a milk-cow intends to use the milk, then it does
> him no good if other providers are harmed.
> 
> The same is true if a milk dairy is co-owned by 1,000 people.
> 
> We can solve these internal conflicts and the drive for artificial
> scarcity by choosing investors who can accept Product as ROI while
> only selling any Surplus for a Profit and treating that Profit as a
> "For Product" investment from the consumer who paid it.
> 
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