[P2P-F] Product Maximizing Corporations (was: "corporateperson")

[Michel Bauwens]

natalie: ideology aside, do you have any evidence for the efficient
allocation of resources,

are you aware of the damage being done to the environment, on rising
inequality, on persistent povery and hunger in the world?

in actual fact, corporations are the engine of systematic misallocation of
resources, and precisely because of the profit maximisation logic,

I recommend reading peter barnes' capitalism 3.0 (but especially his new
upcoming book), and kelly's divine right of capital,

Michel

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net> wrote:

> As to examples..I believe Kaiser Permanente is a model for cost-savings in
> the health care industry and also highly rated in patient outcomes It's
> essentially a not-for-profit Co-op of Doctors.
> As to general corporations, I don't see anything wrong with profit as a
> concept that motivates efficient allocation of resources. The problems
> arise
> from the time horizons & how the profits are dispersed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mrc
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:07 AM
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> Cc: Patrick Anderson
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Product Maximizing Corporations (was:
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> On 11/23/2011 05:30 PM, Patrick Anderson wrote:
> > Michel Bauwens wrote:
> >> much better is to change the DNA and
> >> not make them profit maximizers
> >
> > It *is* possible to change the DNA (or 'goals')
> > of corporations
>
> do you know any who'd let their legal advantadges derived of their
> "corporation" status ?
>
> (i'd like to know more about in comparision with the cooperative or
> association status for example) some examples
>
>
> i.e. get to use an account from our bank accounts sharing world network
> for fundraising for your project.
>
> i.e.2.
> get to use our legal number for doing your construction work if you
> invest what you get from that job in a 'nice' project (aproved without
> too much burocracy by us) (we won't tax you much)
>
> i.e.3.
> is there an activists' activities insurance 'bigsomething' ? one that we
> could use for granting projects developments (i.e. some works for the
> state i.e. software implementations in the public administration is
> taken by i.e. novell(SUSELinux) and then passed from them, after taxing
> it, to a local subcontracted companies because the state papers asks you
> for having a big economic activity and insurance)
> (that was a real case that happened to 'me' while trying to get those
> jobs for other more free local free software communities. ended with:
> novell getting the job, people at schools misusing opensuse linux, it
> could go wrong so probably after no more free software proposed by the
> local goverment )
>
>
> i.e.4. flash moneylender (i.e. at some cases you need to show you have
> 5000 $ for setting up a cooperative, you could withdraw that money the
> day after, but you need to show that)
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