[P2P-F] does google censor?

Wed Nov 23 19:00:50 CET 2011

thanks Robin,

apart from that one article, I also have yet to see convincing proof,

Michel

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Robin Good
<Robin.Good at masternewmedia.org>wrote:

> Yes Michel! Hello Sepp.
>
> I am waiting for such documentation from Sepp!
>
> I think that since he has such a tangible track record, he should have
> been able to collect,
> photograph and record the details of this beyond what I have seen so far.
> (I am missing the original email to which you have been replying with
> this).
>
> I think Sepp is misrepresenting my take on Google as I have publicly
> expressed.
>
> Sepp's complaints about Google date back 3-4 years, and while they could
> have been Google determined,
> he really had no proof at the time nor desire to look deeper into this.
> His was a "feeling" corroborated
> by some data, but as I did show him, there were also alternative reasons
> for why that was happening.
> Sepp decided to discard these other possible reasons affecting rankings
> and maintained a position
> that Google was willfully and very consciously doing this.
>
> As I have learned from Sepp not to take a strong stand, let alone attack,
> something or someone
> until I have full proof and understanding of the issues at work, and being
> him a partial entity in this discourse,
> (since it was his personal site had lost traffic and visibility), I did
> not see at the time overwhelming proof
> that this was the case.
>
> As I don't like Google myself, I really had no benefit in contrasting Sepp
> but only a desire for more
> coherency from him, and the desire that he'd look at other issues besides
> the ones he thought to be the cause
> of his own problems.
>
>
> I am therefore quite open in supporting the publication of data that
> support demonstrating that Google
> manipulates search engine results, if anyone has such data available.
>
> On this front, I have taken also a few tangible steps, by not only writing
> about the larger issues that
> Google may be playing with and which affect us in much bigger ways, but
> also by continuously highlighting
> and sharing of all the key stories that are shining light on this
> potential Google controversy.
>
> You and Sepp may want to take a peek at this channel and see the content
> being published there:
> http://www.scoop.it/t/google-farmer-panda-update
>
>
>
> Give me the data and I will make good use of it.
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>
>> we definitely need documented proof on this, and then publicise it!!
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I have no doubt that it IS true that Google is censoring.
>>>
>>> They downgrade selected content that offends their major customers (both
>>> advertisers and government agencies) or puts them in a bad light.
>>>
>>> I've had some experience of this myself when Google re-did its
>>> algorythms and my major articles critical of Pfizer's cholesterol lowering
>>> drug Lipitor which had been on the first page of Google results for some
>>> years, all of a sudden were way down, nowhere to be found on a search, and
>>> instead the sites that sell the drug and that sing its praises were up
>>> where my critical articles had been.
>>>
>>> To me, it's a fact that Google censors its results, not only news but
>>> also normal search. It is not widely known, but it should be. Robin Good,
>>> who hosts my health site, at the time did not believe Google could ever do
>>> such a thing. I think he may be slowly changing his mind. If he did, and
>>> got on that story, we might have an outlet to a larger public.
>>>
>>> Sepp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   *"The individual is supreme and finds the way through intuition"*
>>>
>>> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/
>>> http://www.laleva.org
>>> http://blog.hasslberger.com/
>>> http://www.facebook.com/hasslberger
>>>  http://twitter.com/healthsupreme
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>  On Oct 17, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>
>>> if true, then it is very worrying ...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://ampedstatus.org/shocking-censorship-at-google-news-and-the-future-of-net-neutrality/
>>>
>>>
>>> http://ampedstatus.org/shocking-censorship-at-google-news-and-the-future-of-net-neutrality/
>>>
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