[P2P-F] The Revolution Business - the staged "Arab Spring"

[mark jagdev]

Yes, very true. Interested to learn more about all factors :)

On 13 June 2011 07:19, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

> let's not be mistaken, there are conspiracies, more than one of course, but
> their influence is relative and just one of the factors at play ...
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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:04 AM, mark jagdev <markjagdev at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Totally agree Michel, thanks for bringing out the reductionist nature of
>> these analyses, which are so far from the truth it appears quite funny, but
>> also sad. I remember as an immature student buying into conspiracies like
>> this, and to some extent I still hold them as representing a potential truth
>> (however small, if any). My mind has remained open but luckily I have sought
>> to hold more complexity - which reductionists and their adherents seem to
>> shy away from in favor of the simple answer.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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>> On 13 June 2011 00:45, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi Mark
>>>
>>> here's an example of why such theories are eminently reductionist ...
>>>
>>> I could easily say that because your inaugural session was done in the
>>> building of EnlighteNext that it was a front for Andrew Cohen and engineered
>>> by them, but that wouldn't be true ...
>>>
>>> SImilarly, because the US has a democracy discourse, some organisations
>>> that fund democracy training, that doesn't mean that the Arab people, and
>>> the youth that risked their lives, have no agency ...  It was a complex
>>> process with multiple causes, including to the very end actually opposition
>>> from the American government to the change ...
>>>
>>> I attented to Mekong ICT training camps in video activism and such here
>>> in thailand, funded by western liberal foundations, but attented by local
>>> activists, most of them 'progressives' .. does that makes them tool of the
>>> German state .. not at all, they look for what they can get, given the lack
>>> of resources in that area here ... One has to be mindful of such 'gifts' of
>>> course, but that doesn't mean there is a linear influence of such funding
>>> and whatever would happen in the country,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:27 AM, mark jagdev <markjagdev at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whatever the 'truth' maybe future (crowd/people) revolutions should be
>>>> funded by the crowd i.e. crowdfunding? Not rely on state or private
>>>> interests. Conspiracy theorists wont be able to make money or gain appeal
>>>> from that kinda story will they?...
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12 June 2011 08:30, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> orchestrated to the finest details hmmm ... glad they cracked that
>>>>> secret to the unfolding of human history ... we can all go to sleep now,
>>>>> confident in the knowledge there is no human agency, only successfull and
>>>>> perfect conspiracies ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:24 AM, David Rose <dr4823 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This new video about the staged nature of the "Arab Spring" looks
>>>>>> interesting. I love the bit about the fake video game created by the
>>>>>> CIA,
>>>>>> on how to start a revolution.  As the V/O says: "today, young people
>>>>>> don't like to read books".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8&
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.journeyman.tv/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Revolution Business
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was
>>>>>> what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically
>>>>>> planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in
>>>>>> advance?"
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