[P2P-F] Your visions : Supporting some permanent p2p collectives to physically converge to ? ( Re: french-language p2p lecture )

Tue Dec 27 13:39:09 CET 2011

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perhaps for that you'd like the notregistered swapmark of

247labs

for labelling a network of physical spaces around, whether they are
forever like that or for whiles....

I have experienced this (the not 24/7 space availability) as an
important obstacle for not p2p networking (humm).

Perhaps it (the 24/7) is a good 'main' filter enough.. although other
places regularly available 8 hours a day could also be useful, are not
that much useful than the others and could be deprecated when the others
24/7 are near, or we could simply like to concentrate efforts in the
24/7 regardless of other facilities because of the 247 inherent power!

(At least i am inventoring them in a strange text file on my brain....
for sharing it with some closers)

*

On 12/27/2011 01:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
> Thanks Michel
> 
> Further below, some thoughts which stem out of this french lecture.
> 
> I extend the lecture context as to delve into broad questions :
> 
> - How to increase the potential to share and create with individuals who
> attend the same events, when such events are too short in time to truly get
> to know each other
> 
> *- How to make it easier to introduce some people we meet,*
> *to other people we may not yet know personally *within our interconnected
> networks* , **based on shared interests, specific objectives or
> geographical proximity ?*
> *
> *
> *- How to do so in a way that enables a general appreciation of context ,
> and context building processes ? [5]*
> *
> *
> *- If we get to know each other, how do we enable further engagement for
> co-creation based on respective individual social and financial contexts ?*
> *
> *
> *- Do we have p2p physical places to go to, converge and experiment p2p
> approaches, and get to know each other ?*
> *Permanent p2p collectives ?*
> 
> ///
> 
> When listening to the lecture and questions asked by people attending it,
> I realize there are very probably *people I could interact or collaborate
> with.*
> 
> Unfortunately, I was not in Paris for that specific seminar,
> yet indirectly, I experience that *each of us can indirectly benefit from
> the contacts other people in our networks make*
> 
> When I go to seminars with people sharing interests,
> it is *not always easy to get in touch personally* , especially when there
> is no time for informal get to know's, or for art of hosting type of
> approaches.
> 
> *Lists such as this one are useful *- yet I can hear that *for some
> people*( including sometimes myself )
> * it represents an overflow of information.*
> 
> *Hence more specifically defined lists* or *information aggregation stemming
> out* of more general ones ( can ) get *created around more specific
> objectives*. *[1]*
> 
> At some point ( around 1hour30-31 minutes ) , a lady asks if you are
> connected to movements such as "Attac",
> and *you reply that you stay open for dialogue with a variety of
> backgrounds [2]** *
> 
> Within such larger framework,
> regarding strategies used* [3]* ,
> 
> I realize that as an individual, though well connected,
> I can find difficulties in finding approaches to not only interact but
> share and* engage* together with other individuals who apply such culture
> and approaches in their *daily lives*,
> to build up such infrastructures of *interdependence beyond the immateria*l
> - internet based exchanges.
> 
> Some of the people I connected to in face to face interactions are on this
> list.
> A number of us are spread across europe and/or the world.
> 
> A variety of initiatives and environments exist *[4]*
> 
> If Phyles related to some of our interconnected networks further emerge,
> how do you imagine them ?
> 
> Would you personally ( or other people on this list ? )
> be interested in supporting "co-living - co-working" spaces ?
> 
> Would we end up living together ?
> 
> I realize living together , or at least have a physical convergence point
> where to contribute to based on shared memes,
> is important to me.  Yet till now I find initiatives and people spread all
> over.
> 
> Hence my interest in finding low cost ( kind of venture communist ? )
> approaches to make infrastructure available,
> as to enable contributions to local viable systems based on p2p approaches.
> 
> I d wish for p2p phyles to support such permanent p2p collective approach.
> 
> Here is a suggestion : http://sharewiki.org/en/Leipzig_project
> 
> I d like to provide people with such physical location to converge to, as
> to facilitate the process of getting to know each other through
> collaborating.
> 
> I do remember, Michel, watching a video of an annex to your home in
> Thailand, which you imagined could host such p2p friendly facilities.
> Though I am also aware it may, for individuals such as me here in Europe,
> be somewhat far.
> 
> Is there anyone else interested in such approach, and what are (y)our
> visions ?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> *Foot Notes :*
> 
> [1] and mapped as to see how they relate or stem out of each other ?
> 
> *[2]* some who are more distributist, others more mutualist, but also
> people from the right , etc and that you even go and talk to the catholic
> church upon invitation from the pope.  You then further comment that
> "indignados" and "occupymovements" may possibly relate more easily with the
> p2p approach ( and ethos ? ) , yet that with the more traditional left you
> may have felt more resistance, as some left wing backgrounds may remain
> more conservative in their mode of thought then, as you noted, some profit
> oriented backgrounds who stay open to new ( p2p ) ideas because of an
> interest in finding new approaches to make money.
> 
> *[3]* to facilitate potential through collaboration around shared
> intentions,
> and at the current stage of development
> 
> * [4]* Ecovillages and other communities already exist, and can share a
> number of subcultures brought up here on p2p lists.
> 
> Fablabs are emerging , and can also bring people sharing such culture
> together in an approach to be co-creative while increasing our autonomy
> through choosing our interdependencies.
> 
> For now, more Fablabs in urban centers ? And generally speaking, at the
> moment still mostly available to a very specific elite of technicians and
> progressive cultural researchers ? Yet possibly opening up , connecting to
> community / co-working spaces, such as in Berlin : http://opendesigncity.de/
>  ,
> or initiated ( or funded ) by research backgrounds with the intention to
> open up to the community, such as MIT's center for Bits and Atoms
> http://fab.cba.mit.edu/ , such as this one
> http://wiki.fablab.af/index.php/Main_Page
> 
> *[5] *Holopticism ? http://www.slideshare.net/AlanRosenblith/holopticism
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
> 
>>
>> Voici le lien vers la vidéo de votre intervention à La Cantine :
>> http://lacantine.ubicast.eu/videos/webinar-16-12-2011-141701/
>>
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