[P2P-F] Fwd: [GiftEconomy] couchsurfing

Sun Apr 24 13:20:14 CEST 2011

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From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [GiftEconomy] 'Emerges'? How about 're-emerges'?
To: gifteconomy at lists.gifteconomy.org

Since couchsurfing is mentioned,
and also ( capitalist ) enclosure related to sharing,

it may be of interest to have a look at

http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/

"Couchsurfing could go commercial"
http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2011/04/20/couchsurfing-com-could-go-commercial/

http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/a-criticism-of-couchsurfing-and-review-of-alternatives/#fraud

<http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/a-criticism-of-couchsurfing-and-review-of-alternatives/#fraud>see
the evolution of how "donation/verification" money is being spent within the
not for profit to support the causes it supports,

and the amount of money that may be set aside :

http://www.couchsurfing.org/mission_and_vision.html?link=organization_finances.html&title=Finances

2009 ( over a million dollars )
http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2009.html

2008 ( nearly eight hundred thousand dollars )
http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2008.html

2007 ( three hundred thousand dollars )
http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2007.html

2006 ( hundred thousand dollars )
http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2006.html

2004 ( two thousand dollars ) ; 2005 ( nearly thirty thousand dollars )
http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2004_2005.html
...

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Tereza wrote:

> Sorry, I didn't read the article before I passed it on - I just read the
> beginning about craigslist and couch surfing. Charity Focus, who publishes
> The Daily Good, walks their talk, and everything they do is volunteer-based.
> But sometimes the articles they publish are a bit too corporate for my
> taste.
>
> That said, I like the sites that enable people to rent their own houses.
> I'll never stay in a commercial property again for a vacation. I was happy
> to hear that someone was developing a way for cars to be shared without
> risk. I hope that P2P taxi services will be soon to follow, so I can pay
> someone in the neighborhood next time I need a ride to the airport. Lots of
> people are piecing together a living from a little bit of money here and
> there and I'd rather support that than incur a favor I don't have time to
> repay. Most people either have time or they have money, but it's rare to
> have both. So hooking the people with time up with the people with money is
> okay in my book. I'm not a purist.
>
> I like what you're doing, Robin, with the helping on the street. I'm sure
> that's making an impact.
>
> Tereza
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Duane wrote:
>
>  But the capitalist drive will not be extinguished. They will to "optimize"
>> the culture of sharing for their profit, whether by persuasion, threat, or
>> force, and they will find ways. Their hypocrisy, that they will not
>> <i>share</i> their optimizations, is the glint which betrays the
>> machinations to inject extraction in the network of cooperation.
>>
>> The "central authority" will be the architects of the means of sharing.
>> The means of sharing cannot be totally autonomous and will be organized, to
>> some extent. Whereas a rising tide would lift all boats, in an ebb tide,
>> someone will have to pay for the tugboat.
>>
>> The most revolutionary force in the world will not go down easy.
>>
>> Duane
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin
>> To: <gifteconomy at lists.gifteconomy.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:29 AM
>> Subject: [GiftEconomy] 'Emerges'? How about 're-emerges'?
>>
>>
>>  Thanks for this, Tereza.
>>>
>>>> The Sharing Economy Emerges
>>>>> Peer to peer exchange of goods and services has skyrocketed way
>>>>> beyond craigslist.org and Couch Surfing. Now, access to goods and
>>>>> skills is becoming more important than ownership of them. And that
>>>>> has sparked a "Sharing Economy". Gartner Group researchers estimate
>>>>> that the peer-to-peer financial-lending market will reach $5 billion
>>>>> by 2013. Botsman says the consumer peer-to-peer rental market will
>>>>> become a $26 billion sector, and believes the sharing economy, in
>>>>> total, is a $110 billion-plus market. "Is this purely a
>>>>> warm-and-fuzzy kind of thing?" says Ann Miura-Ko, a venture
>>>>> capitalist at Floodgate Fund. "It's not. It's underutilized asset
>>>>> utilization." That is to say, sharing is becoming common place.
>>>>>
>>>> The rise of digitally mediated sharing is indeed promising, but only a
>>> capitalist could see this as a fundamentally new thing. I mean life is
>>> full of sharing. To say nothing of shared genes, shared understandings
>>> or shared streets, people in most parts of the world still share all
>>> sorts of stuff daily, just as they used to in the past in USA.
>>> Barnraising? Potlatch?
>>>
>>> So whilst in one sense it's a welcome step away from what Eisenstein
>>> calls "the discrete and separate self", sharing does not cease to count
>>> just because it goes unaccounted in ledgers. Arguably, unmetered sharing
>>> is more important. I haven't investigated the 'Floodgate Fund', so I may
>>> be doing her an injustice, but Ann Miura-Ko's designation as 'venture
>>> capitalist' suggests to me that she's expecting to get out more money
>>> than she puts in.
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's food for thought for my work on the Internet Gift Economy,
>>> which has been going slow lately - distracted by working on the
>>> roofgarden. The current model as regards metering is to leave it up to
>>> those involved whether they want to record things. Eitherway, a big
>>> difference is that there won't be any central authority in charge, so no
>>> point for revenue extraction. No business model.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
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