[Centre] draft

[Cubitt S.R.]

Excellent! Thans nikki

You could perhaps in the 'expertise' section list a few of the kinds of
things they might add -- knowledge about new business models / challenges
of digital media / legal expertise / international comparisons / interst
in specific areas mentioned in the bod such as digital labour,
peer-to-peer, business modles, assessing value, / adding specific cases to
be studies such as new publishing models, games, music, design, arcives /
academic and research specialisms including methodological expertise /
research management experience / event management / public cmmunication of
results to members or constituents . . .

Wd that help them speed along? Or wd it hinder?

On 02/09/2011 16:55, "Matthews N.S." <N.S.Matthews at soton.ac.uk> wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>Please find attached a template that can be used for the letters of
>support from partner organisations.
>
>Jeremry, Sean, Lorraine, does this look ok to you? It's based on a
>previous AHRC EOI support letter.
>
>With Regards
>
>Nikki
>
>
>________________________________________
>From: p2p-centre-bounces at lists.ourproject.org
>[p2p-centre-bounces at lists.ourproject.org] On Behalf Of Cubitt S.R.
>[S.R.Cubitt at soton.ac.uk]
>Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:13 PM
>To: Group working in the Centre for Copyright and New Business Models in
>the Creative Economy
>Subject: Re: [Centre] draft
>
>Sorry I wasn't round earlier to respond tp this excellent set of coments -
>I have one document which must be completed today; after that I'll read
>the latest draft of the proposal, which I imagine already responds to
>these great critiques
>
>sean
>
>On 26/08/2011 04:14, "Volker Grassmuck" <vgrass at rz.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
>
>>Thanks Sean for your first draft and Sally-Jane — Great to meet you
>>again! Even greater if we would be working together in this centre! — and
>>Lorraine and Franco for edits.
>>
>>Franco, you’re right, we have to agree on a mode of editing. From the
>>interaction so far, the wiki doesn’t seem popular, while everybody seems
>>comfortable with editing text files. So I would suggest we go with that.
>>Please turn on „track changes”. Franco, your changes can only be
>>extracted by a time-consuming „compare documents” procedure. Lorraine, in
>>your version nearly all of the text is marked as „newly attributed”. So
>>again I’m not seeing your amendments. It might be an issue of me using
>>OpenOffice. I hope we are not losing edits.
>>
>>So I’ll continue from Sally-Jane’s version with a few edits and remarks
>>inside the text and some more points here:
>>
>>1. The call is expressly for a Centre for Copyright, not for IPRs in
>>general. I was surprised about the strong emphasis on IPRs in the draft.
>>Do you think it increases our chance that we offer them something more
>>than what they’ve asked for, or decreases them for missing the point?
>>
>>"We believe that intellectual property rights (IPRs) need to be assessed
>>in relation to one another, rather than isolating copyright, when so many
>>creative entrepreneurs and practitioners look instead to patents,
>>trademarks and designs.” — Really? I for one have been embracing rms’s
>>campaign against the term „intellectual property” because I agree from
>>experience that bunching the very different systems does more harm than
>>good. And then: Authors, composers, photographers etc. protect their
>>works with patents, trademarks and designs rather than copyright? I can’t
>>imagine what this refers to. Could you give examples?
>>
>>What seems like an example for the problems of bunching: „Should the
>>rigorous tests of originality in patent law be applied in copyright?” —
>>Are you implying that this is the case and we are asking whether it
>>should be, or is this a suggestion that it should be so? Confusingly,
>>„originality” is used both in patent and copyright law but means
>>something very different: novelty vs personal, intellectual creation.
>>
>>2. "Demonstration of need." Here you list seven areas of research we’re
>>going to pursue. I think they should go into the next section „key
>>features”. I also think we need to talk about them a bit more, e.g. how
>>does 1. modeling creative practice as business relate to 6. digital
>>labour? For establishing need I think we should talk about a fundamental
>>shift in the industrial basis and the disruptive effects of the digital
>>revolution. The crisis in public funding of art and culture should be
>>mentioned, as well as the millions that the Hargreaves-based copyright
>>reform supposedly will add to the UK economy. The whole field is in flux.
>>We are in a large-scale in situ experiment, inventing the future as we go
>>along. To guide political and economic actors, systematic production of
>>empirical evidence is needed (Hargreaves).
>>
>>Then it’s asking for target sectors. So we should talk about the music,
>>film, games etc. sectors and what we can do for them. As for distinctive
>>features, I would highlight interdisciplinarity. Existing copyright
>>centres are ’naturally’ located inside law schools and lack intensive
>>exchanges with media science, cultural studies, informatics, art, civil
>>society etc. which will be one of our Centre’s strong points.
>>
>>3. Business: I understand that we are catering to "painfully retarded
>>"Creative Britain” thinkers”.  But: "The creative economy is not in large
>>part industrial in structure.” I think this is overdoing catering to the
>>SME trope. Large corporations are in fact responsible for a large part of
>>revenues and jobs in creative industries and most of copyright lobbying.
>>Also, SMEs don’t come up again in the rest of the text. P2P is mentioned
>>only because large companies are using it. And then you mention that
>>start-ups = SMEs are typically bought out by market dominators. If
>>Sally-Jane is right in that this is a key concern we have to work on
>>making it more consistent and compelling.
>>
>>I hope this is useful for moving our discussion forward.
>>
>>Best,
>>Volker
>>
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