[kune-devel] Estoy siendo cansino ya...

Tue Jan 27 01:19:49 CET 2009

Bueno, gente, a mi juicio la fase de feedback deberÃa ir tocando a su fin.
EstarÃa bien que alguien mÃ¡s dejara algÃºn resumen de comentarios que hayÃ¡is
recibido por vuestros lados, que al final yo estoy monopolizando el tema (ya
paro, ya paro jeje).

RespondÃ al mail de Bastien con algunos comentarios rÃ¡pidos, y me acaba de
contestar. No es tan revelador como el primero, pero para quien quiera
seguir el hilo...

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 20:15, Bastien Guerry <Bastien.Guerry en ens.fr> wrote:

> hello dude,
>
> Samer <samer2004 en gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Waoh Bastien, great feedback!! Thanks a lot! I was really looking forward
> to it
> > and, as expected, you didn't disappointed me :)
>
> Thanks!  But I'm also late...
>
> >     I guess many people will want to test Kune after viewing this.
> >
> > Mmm hope so. Specially if RMS is one of them ;)
>
> Well, you know RMS is not browsing the web.  The web comes to RMS!
> Sometimes he fetches a webpage with wget, but that's it.  :)
>
> >     - the musique is a distraction.  Why don't you use the voice, as in
> any
> >      screencast?  Yes, it's hard to do, but it's easier to concentrate
> on.
> >
> > Mmm... we like the music ;)  And anyway we don't have a good English
> accent to
> > talk with...
>
> Com'on, english is not a language anymore, it's just a way to pass on
> messages, slogans, ads!
>
> >     - What's the purpose?  Advertisement or tutorial?  It's a bit too big
> >      and to detailed for an ad, but it is "showing off" too much for a
> >      tutorial.  I suggest you do a 5 minute ad concentrating all the big
> >      messages (it's enough to make people want to try) and 5 min tutos on
> >      specific features or use case.
> >
> > Good point... anyway this should be just for developers and involved
> activists,
> > not for general public... the idea was to do a short video, but we wanted
> to
> > show it all, and it extended more and more :) And the purpose was,
> basically,
> > "convince" that kune deserves to exist and it is needed.
>
> Mmhh...  Kune exists, doesn't it?  So you don't need to convince anyone
> it "deserves" it.  As for the need, users define it, not you.  I think
> you should better think in these terms : What is our tool?  Who are our
> users?  The trick is that, at the end of the film, *I* will be convinced
> that *I* am a potential user...  it's just a matter of perspective, it's
> a bit communication bullshit but hey, that's what we're talking about...
>
> > If we do as you say... does it make sense, to split it into two like
> that? It
> > would repeat content inevitably, but it's true that with different
> purposes...
> > i have to discuss it with Vicente, but it is a very good point.
> >
> >     - Would be better if people could have a better idea of the
> difference
> >      with other tools.  What's the difference with a wiki?  What's the
> >      difference with Moodle?  Drupal? Facebook?  Being free software is a
> >      difference, it might be enough for some devs.  Usability is another
> >      one, and the video shows it adequately...  but what other deep diff
> >      with other available tool ?
> >
> > Do you think that this should be included here (made more obvious)? We
> thought
> > about it, but leaving it to a version of the video for the general public
> > (maybe when the public part is ready, to show both sides).
>
> Yes...  maybe that's just a FAQ point, not something to show in a video,
> that's right.
>
> > Is it not clear
> > enough for a developer, those differences?
>
> Something popping up in my mind: what about Kune's modularity?  The
> presentation shows Kune can aggregate/integrate a lot of tools, but
> developers like modularity (don't they)?
>
> >     - After 4:45, we understand how to create and edit a space, but we
> don't
> >      have a precise idea of how this space looks like for people on the
> web
> >      (outside the admin interface) (See diapo 8:32)
> >
> > Yes, that part of the implementation is still not ready :)
>
> :)
>
> >     - The chat feature looks really great.  The video should demonstrate
> a
> >      real use case - in what occasion is that really necessary to chat
> with
> >      your group?
> >
> > You are right. I'm glad you like it! Here http://emite.ourproject.org/
> you
> > can try a demo of the chat part, it is a library, "emite", we programmed
> (here
> > "we" should be "they", though... i didn't... but "we" as ourproject :)
>
> Very nice work!
>
> Possible extension of the Chat utility: make it a tool to take notes
> during a meeting.   Something where someone can define topics, where
> the logs can be exported in .odt (with user-defined sequences, maybe
> corresponding to the topics...) -- I don't have a precise idea of what
> I am talking about, but I'm sure there is something to do.
>
> >     - I wouldn't put kune is not for you...  even technical reasons are a
> >      bit too much for such a video.  This is good in a faq, but not in a
> >      video.  (Again, if you answer the question: is this an ad or a tuto,
> >      you will naturally strip this kind of slide...)
> >
> > As i mentioned, we wanted to "convince", so the more arguments in favour
> of its
> > "deserve to exist", the better. The "kune is not for you" is a discussion
> of
> > Vicente and me heheh, now i have an extra argument to remove it (and to
> leave
> > it maybe in a video for the general public). The technical reasons i like
> them,
> > though, even if it's a "long ad"... i don't know.
>
> The technical reasons are okay, people will pause on the video to read
> them.
>
> >     - "Community supported": how big the community?
> >
> > Mmm... if we count only comitters/developers... three? xD But it's going
> to get
> > bigger soon...
>
> modularity!
>
> > or at least its what some friends told me :P  Anyway obviously
> > we won't say "supported by 3 people". We wanted to leave clear that there
> are
> > no companies supporting it.
>
> Yes.  Which becomes a rare sign of independance!
>
> > We are now collecting the feedback of this draft video. After, we will
> make a
> > better version of it, upload an updated version of the webpage
> > kune.ourproject.org and we'll be ready. Then you can spread it around,
> and
> > we'll send an email to RMS.
>
> What do you expect from RMS?  Maybe there should be some kind of essay.
> Â« We need a free software to support social freedom and activism. Â» Or
> something like that.  Then show RMS that there are too many proprietary
> tools to support social activism (like Facebook?), and to few tools like
> yours...  which I think is THE point.
>
> > Btw, for preparing the webpage, we prepared these two documents (wiki-ed
> while
> > we prepare them):
> > http://admins-op.wikispaces.com/AboutKune_v2
> > http://admins-op.wikispaces.com/SupportKune
> >
> > Could you take a look on them?
>
> I will during this week.

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Samer

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