<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello Mathieu, hello everyone,<div><br></div><div>I think we should make an effort to keep the JoPP freely-accessible on the public Internet, so archiving it on Zenodo (which I am not familiar with, but according to what Peter Troxler says in his email, it provides the functionality that we're looking for) sounds like a very good idea! </div><div><br></div><div>I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Peter T. once again for hosting the JoPP on his server and for registering the <a href="http://peerproduction.net">peerproduction.net</a> domain. Thank you Peter for everything you've done for JoPP all these years!</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:48 PM Angela Daly <<a href="mailto:angelacdaly@gmail.com">angelacdaly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I would be keen to archive via Zenodo.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 04:45, <<a href="mailto:jopp-public-request@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">jopp-public-request@lists.ourproject.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send JoPP-Public mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: Mathieu O'Neil <<a href="mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au</a>><br>
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Hi all<br>
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The "<a href="http://peerproduction.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">peerproduction.net</a>" domain name, held by P2PF, was allowed to lapse at the end of 2023 [citing a P2PF web person: "I did send an email to a few folks regarding old domains and unfortunately it did not reach Mathieu:( As part of the foundation moving administratively to Belgium, a lot of old domain names have been released as no one claimed them"].<br>
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As a result the "<a href="http://peerproduction.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">peerproduction.net</a>" domain name went into a "redemption period" and the journal website went down; thanks to Adrian Smith for alerting us about it.<br>
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Eventually we managed to track down the relevant P2PF person and Peter Troxler (who already hosts the journal website on his server) purchased the domain name - thanks Peter! Thanks also to Stephen Collins for his help.<br>
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In the process, two issues came to the fore:<br>
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1-we need to find supplementary archiving solutions: I will start another thread about this soon.<br>
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2-we need to update the jopp website to make it clear the journal is no longer active (this will prevent unwanted submissions which still episodically occur).<br>
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My suggestion is to insert the following text:<br>
"[update (February 2024): the journal of peer production is no longer active; jopp#15 in 2022 was the final issue]"<br>
In the following pages<br>
ABOUT “Submissions”, “Mission Statement”, "People", "Advice", "Twitter"<br>
PEER REVIEW "Process" ["Current" is obsolete and should be deleted]<br>
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@all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end of this week. Thanks!<br>
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For the front/homepage text, which currently reads:<br>
“Welcome to the Journal of Peer Production<br>
The Journal of Peer Production seeks high-quality contributions from researchers and practitioners of peer production. We understand peer production as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks. Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia.”<br>
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We could have instead:<br>
"The Journal of Peer Production is no longer active<br>
Between 2011 and 2022 researchers and practitioners self-managed the Journal of Peer Production to explore and document peer production, understood as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks. Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia. jopp#15 TRANSITION was the final issue"<br>
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@all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end of this week. Thanks!<br>
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cheers<br>
Mathieu<br>
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Hi all<br>
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As mentioned in my earlier message Peter, Steve and I were discussing web-related issues with P2PF people when the issue of archiving came up. Someone mentioned the "web archive" saying it was free, then Peter came up with a thoughtful reply, to which I responded:<br>
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"@Peter: thanks for your response. This topic is too important to be debated simply amongst ourselves: it needs to happen on the jopp-public list so that other editors see it and so it is archived. So, if OK with you, I will copy-paste your message and post an update explaining the domain lapsed, the site went down, and now you bought and own the domain (happy to share a draft with you before posting)."<br>
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[Peter agreed, so copy-pasting his message below:]<br>
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From: Troxler, P. (Peter) <<a href="mailto:p.troxler@hr.nl" target="_blank">p.troxler@hr.nl</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:p.troxler@hr.nl" target="_blank">p.troxler@hr.nl</a>>><br>
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Folks<br>
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archiving is not a simple issue, hence a new subject for this conversation.<br>
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Of course, <a href="http://peerproduction.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">peerproduction.net</a> is available through <a href="http://archive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">archive.org</a>'s waybackmachine. However, for academic publishing this is not the way to go. Neither is uploading all papers to <a href="http://archive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">archive.org</a> as <a href="http://archive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">archive.org</a> lacks the links to more mainstream academic publishing. At the end of the day, we want the papers to be found, read, and cited.<br>
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So, as many other OA initiatives, we are looking for a more durable repository.<br>
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There are two routes that spring to mind (because the third, SSRN, has become Elsevier):<br>
- <a href="http://zenodo.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">zenodo.org</a><br>
- SocArxiv<br>
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Zenodo is pretty straight forward, would allow to bulk upload final papers, and it caters for related materials (original, reviews), it provides a DOI, and it will live for another 20 years. Based at CERN, we can expect this term to be extended.<br>
SocArxiv is not geared towards bulk archiving (afaik), I have not read anything on the site regarding DO; it, allows for related material. Further, it has a salvation fund to keep it going if and when funding runs out.<br>
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However, archiving (rather than keeping <a href="http://peerproduction.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">peerproduction.net</a> running) requires some substantial effort to get it done, for which some funding is required.<br>
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If we don't want to leave JoPP to an anecdotal glitch in time, I think we should make some serious work of getting it archived. It's mainly juggling data, as the basis we have is rock solid.<br>
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Opinions?<br>
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Peter<br>
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