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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Hi Panos</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I like it, though in my mind "OPEN" is taking shape as a war machine against the academic paywalls of the world so needs to pack a punch and have a clear shape. Then again it could indeed have a future-facing section
which keeps growing. Or #14 could be the issue that keeps growing...? NO NAME?</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">As for the other idea, sure, I very much agree that we need to do more outreach, via shorter texts, or slogans, posters, etc. Hopefully these ideas will coalesce more when we finalise the ideas around OA/OPEN.</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">cheers</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Mathieu</p>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
Two quick ideas that came to my mind while watching a documentary on<br>
"The residents", titled "Theory of obscurity", toward moving to more<br>
"experimental" grounds and questioning the whole academic publishing<br>
system at its roots.<br>
<br>
First, I would reject the need for regular finalized issues, but would<br>
like to see a publication that is "slow" and incremental. In that sense<br>
why not treat the "Open" issue as truly open and keep adding articles to<br>
it over time? This could keep the journal going on for very long, and<br>
without stress :-)<br>
<br>
Second, and more ambitiously, I think it would be interesting to produce<br>
a whole "anonymous" issue, without naming the editors nor the authors<br>
and without any references in the articles. Just "pure ideas". "Us" who<br>
have more or less access to the "gated" world of knowledge, could we<br>
summarize (a small part of) what is interesting to know without taking<br>
ownership of the ideas, and without requiring from something to have<br>
read 100 books to understand a single sentence?<br>
<br>
I could write more about both ideas, but for now I just throw them to<br>
you in case they could be transformed to something interesting :-)<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Panos.<br>
<br>
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On 07.11.18 04:06, Mathieu O'Neil wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Kat, all<br>
><br>
><br>
> Well, the theme is "OPEN" so yes any idea is worth exploring! So many<br>
> points, so little time!!!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Art stuff = Steve is a musician and I've been toying with the idea of<br>
> sending out a new CFP for sound / art related to peer production /<br>
> open access but did not get round to it because WORK. So, ah, Steve,<br>
> what do you reckon? Too much to organise, or possible?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Kountergemonik stuff = I like the idea of a celebration, good to be<br>
> positive. I also would like to move forward concretely. This may be a<br>
> case of slackness leading to greatness i.e. my job was to contact the<br>
> OA journals that were suggested on this list to ask them to contribute<br>
> a paper and a few thoughts re OA. I did not do this yet but that<br>
> means we can now include a new dimension: what should be done? In my<br>
> mind there are two questions really. The second one is going to sound<br>
> grandiose to some but needs to be asked, I think.<br>
><br>
> A-How can we reduce the commercialisation of research? I have some<br>
> ideas, others here might also, other OA people might have some. So<br>
> that's positive, may lead to concrete change and we can actually do<br>
> something to further this.<br>
><br>
> B-But - even if we somehow managed to release the stranglehold of<br>
> Elsevier and their ilk around research, what would that change in<br>
> terms of industrial capitalism's destruction of the planet?<br>
><br>
><br>
> cheers<br>
><br>
> Mathieu<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> *From:* Kat Braybrooke <kat.braybrooke@gmail.com><br>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:03<br>
> *To:* andrew.murphie@gmail.com; Journal of Peer Production's general<br>
> and public list<br>
> *Cc:* Mathieu O'Neil<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [JoPP-Public] Future of Journal of Peer Production<br>
> (JoPP): the end of the line?<br>
> <br>
> hey all, <br>
><br>
> maybe this is a crazy idea, so please feel free to discard - but! i<br>
> did want to add that the tone of andrew's response really resonated<br>
> for me in the sense that, in a way, while the hegemonies of<br>
> traditional academic publishing (and its ever-oppressive competitive<br>
> rating systems) continue to solidify, this also feels like a special<br>
> moment to celebrate the successes of all of those /other/ ways that<br>
> alternative/open access publishing efforts have created their own<br>
> forms of counter-hegemony to subvert the messages of the mainstream -<br>
> manifestations that would make the likes of antonio gramsci proud, i<br>
> think. <br>
><br>
> so, i wonder if there could be some way to co-create a special issue<br>
> which is also a coming-together of several of our journals/publishing<br>
> projects at once - with the theme of not only reflecting on the<br>
> effects of the myriad embodiments of labour we have brought into the<br>
> world (and the means of production associated with those / the<br>
> exhaustion we all feel from it all) but also on celebration - of what<br>
> we have accomplished separately, and together? <br>
><br>
> this mega-gathering (or, perhaps, party) could include, and not be<br>
> limited to, the journal of peer production, the fibreculture journal,<br>
> projects like meatspace press and their freely-distributed pamphlets<br>
> <a href="https://meatspacepress.org/about/" id="LPlnk403435" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">
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> , networked gatherings and multimedia outputs like that of<br>
> furtherfield <a href="https://www.furtherfield.org/" id="LPlnk653644" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">
https://www.furtherfield.org/</a><br>
> <<a href="https://www.furtherfield.org/" id="LPlnk862693" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">https://www.furtherfield.org/</a>> and the collaboration of any other<br>
> like-minded crews who too might have an interest. it could manifest<br>
> both digitally, across our various converged channels, and also in<br>
> print, through a co-published pamphlet or other creative medium, which<br>
> could also even include artistic submissions in the tradition of<br>
> adbusters etc. <br>
> About � Meatspace Press <<a href="https://meatspacepress.org/about/" id="LPlnk42463" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">https://meatspacepress.org/about/</a>><br>
> meatspacepress.org<br>
> Meatspace Press is a publishing project co-founded by Mark Graham and<br>
> Joe Shaw.The name comes from the cyberpunk slang for the opposite of<br>
> cyberspace: real life. In practice, we believe in no such binaries.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> again though, maybe it's too ambitious/crazy an idea. just putting it<br>
> out there, in case - maybe it can lead to something else entirely!<br>
> just seems like a nice moment to collaborate, and subvert, and perhaps<br>
> even raise a bit of hell before taking that break ;)<br>
><br>
> - kat<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:56 AM Andrew Murphie<br>
> <andrew.murphie@gmail.com <<a href="mailto:andrew.murphie@gmail.com" id="LPlnk716809" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">mailto:andrew.murphie@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks Mathieu,<br>
><br>
> yes it will be interesting to see where #13 takes us ... <br>
><br>
> a<br>
><br>
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 13:35, Mathieu O'Neil<br>
> <mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au <<a href="mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au" id="LPlnk575298" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Andrew, all<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks for your message. Briefly (I don't want to pre-empt<br>
> other responses):<br>
><br>
><br>
> 1.Someone signaled on the jopp-ed list that they may have an<br>
> idea for jopp#14. More on this asap.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2.Really appreciate your thoughts on OA journals / political<br>
> economy of scientific-scholarly publishing. As you know we are<br>
> planning to have a special section in jopp#13 for OA journals.<br>
> Could be good opportunity to assess where we're at<br>
> and articulate some ideas / interventions to move forward re<br>
> Elsevier / OA labour...?<br>
><br>
><br>
> cheers<br>
><br>
> Mathieu<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> *From:* JoPP-Public <jopp-public-bounces@lists.ourproject.org<br>
> <<a href="mailto:jopp-public-bounces@lists.ourproject.org" id="LPlnk572219" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">mailto:jopp-public-bounces@lists.ourproject.org</a>>> on behalf<br>
> of Andrew Murphie <andrew.murphie@gmail.com<br>
> <<a href="mailto:andrew.murphie@gmail.com" id="LPlnk97358" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">mailto:andrew.murphie@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 5, 2018 10:51<br>
> *To:* Journal of Peer Production's general and public list<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [JoPP-Public] Future of Journal of Peer<br>
> Production (JoPP): the end of the line?<br>
> <br>
> Hi Mathieu,<br>
><br>
> We're facing the same kinds of questions at the Fibreculture<br>
> Journal. We're keeping on keeping on the for moment but we'll<br>
> see what happens next year. A while back we were almost<br>
> thinking of an issue on this very issue .. current state of OA<br>
> publishing, why it's become difficult, the life cycle of<br>
> journals that are fully OA etc etc .. why the potential has<br>
> not yet actualised in anything like the way it could ... <br>
><br>
> Something on the future of Scholarly Comms (a term that<br>
> perhaps becomes redundant when I think about it ... )<br>
><br>
> Watched Paywall last night. All through my partner and I were<br>
> talking about something that seemed not to quite come up ..<br>
> which is the question of labour .... "the modes of peer<br>
> production" I guess. Although I think JoPP has dealt with this<br>
> some in #10. I know this has been a huge issue at FCJ. We've<br>
> all burned out at some stage with the work (and complete lack<br>
> of credit even in university workloads .. universities love<br>
> journals but seem to think journal issues just pop out of the<br>
> ground by themselves like mushrooms). <br>
><br>
> It's also, I have to say, been quite hard to FCJ to make a<br>
> transition into doing things differently, more in tune with<br>
> what we see as contemporary events, largely because forces<br>
> keep pulling us back to traditional forms of credit etc when<br>
> it comes to the form and process of the work. <br>
><br>
> I know other journals and so forth have faced similar issues. <br>
><br>
> Among these and other questions (very prevalent throughout<br>
> Paywall, and certainly in my mind as editor of FCJ since at<br>
> least 2008 ... the first ERA ranking exercise ...and now with<br>
> UNSW where I work's own "journal rankings" exercise) ... is<br>
> the whole politics of infrastructure�reactionary we well<br>
> know�that has developed around publishing now ... at exactly<br>
> the same time that OA and much more beyond this in terms of<br>
> "scholarly comms" has thrived, in what I'm calling a "third<br>
> media revolution" (most of publishing has become even more<br>
> stubbornly "second media revolution" that is, the reproduction<br>
> and distribution of representations, e.g. the printing press<br>
> but also the like of social media) ... <br>
><br>
> So one idea (and I hesitate as I'm beyond time poor) might be<br>
> a cross many OA venture (as in venture communism) celebration,<br>
> exploration into the beyond, and also critical evaluation of<br>
> the contemporary state of<br>
> whatever-it-is-that-scholarly-comms-is-becoming. This could<br>
> also be seen as an activist intervention into the state of<br>
> things, e.g. the politics of scholarly infrastructure, but<br>
> also, rankings and research organisations especially (think of<br>
> e.g. Plan S here, although I've recently heard that the "fix<br>
> is in" on this .. at least in the UK, with Elsevier no less<br>
> part of the discussions now being undertaken) ...<br>
> Interventions of commercial consultants, etc. Our entire<br>
> university is now run via "rankings" etc. Tied of course to<br>
> the future of the university or<br>
> whatever-it-it-universities-are-(un)becoming .. then there<br>
> would be questions about forms of comms and scholarly comms<br>
> and processes through this; data, media and comms and (to my<br>
> mind) the almost total lack of understanding of any of these<br>
> except in the most outmoded and frankly limited way on the<br>
> part of research organisation and infrastructure high and low<br>
> , etc etc. <br>
><br>
> None of this means that JoPP should continue, if it has served<br>
> its purpose. Probably just thinking on my feet. And it could<br>
> go on without it (which sensibly would leave those who have<br>
> made JoPP work so well with some time of their hands to do<br>
> other things. As someone who has spent far too much time on an<br>
> OA journal, to the detriment of my other work, I can say it is<br>
> sometimes a good idea to let things go). <br>
><br>
> andrew<br>
><br>
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 19:59, Mathieu O'Neil<br>
> <mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au <<a href="mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au" id="LPlnk328824" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au</a>>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all<br>
><br>
><br>
> Steve and I have been working on JoPP #13 OPEN to be<br>
> released in the first half of 2019. After that, it's<br>
> anybody's guess.<br>
><br>
><br>
> JoPP#14 should come out in the first half of 2020 but for<br>
> that to happen someone(s) has to come up with a concept<br>
> - and CFP! Maurizio proposed something around the<br>
> commons/STS a while back but this has not translated into<br>
> concrete action (yet).<br>
><br>
><br>
> If no-one is willing / able to continue the JoPP journey<br>
> it may be time to plan for officially entering hiatus mode<br>
> after JoPP #13. <br>
><br>
><br>
> Perhaps the Journal has served its purpose -<br>
> raised awareness and knowledge of peer production, linked<br>
> with makers/activists, fostered a community - and<br>
> something else needs to take its place?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Or, someone(s) want(s) to keep the project moving forward.<br>
> If that is the case, please say so. CFP for JoPP #14<br>
> should go out soon.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Personally I've co-edited two of the last four issues (#10<br>
> and upcoming #13) and have a lot on my plate in the coming<br>
> year. I might have issues to explore in JoPP in the<br>
> future, but not now.<br>
><br>
><br>
> cheers,<br>
><br>
> Mathieu<br>
><br>
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> What he really wants to know is, Where are the other places" -<br>
> Alfred North Whitehead<br>
><br>
> "The greatest effort is not concerned with results" - At��a<br>
> (982-1054; Vajrayana Buddhism, Bengal)<br>
><br>
> Andrew Murphie - Associate Professor<br>
> School of the Arts and Media,<br>
> University of New South Wales,<br>
> Sydney, Australia, 2052<br>
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