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Hi all<br>
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Cant comment right now will do asap<br>
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Cheers<br>
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Mathieu<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> JoPP-Public <jopp-public-bounces@lists.ourproject.org> on behalf of Menichinelli Massimo <massimo.menichinelli@aalto.fi><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 29, 2018 8:51:22 AM<br>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi,<br>
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Legacy content seems to be just an html text, not just static html because it is what visitors access but also because articles are simple pages in WP without any custom field (at least the ones I've checked). So it should be really just a matter of copy and
paste... boring and manually, but there are not so many articles and issues to make it unbearable. Please correct me if I'm wrong.<br>
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OJS does not just publish the articles, but has the submission/review/approval workflow for each article, so not sure you want to replicate it (was it done always by e-mail and .doc files, right?).<br>
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OJS is simpler also in terms of infrastructure (php vs java), and probably enough for us. I've looked for WP themes more proper for the journal in the past months (none) and only recently found Ambra and that OJS has improved.<br>
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Ambra seems to have less documentation and discussions. It's done and used by PLOS ONE, so we should be pretty sure that it should do the work, but might be harder to install and maintain maybe?<br>
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Br,<br>
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Massimo<br>
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From: JoPP-Public <jopp-public-bounces@lists.ourproject.org> on behalf of Peter Troxler <trox@fabfolk.com><br>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:44:25 PM<br>
To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list<br>
Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP website: some thoughts<br>
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Hi Massimo<br>
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Any idea how those would handle migration of legacy content?<br>
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OJS appears to have come a long way from the awful implementation we were used to years ago.<br>
Ambra feels a little premature to jump on, just my impression.<br>
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OJS always did a decent job supporting the back end (submission, review) which would make life for our editors much easier. How about Ambra on this?<br>
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Peter<br>
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 18:46 Menichinelli Massimo, <massimo.menichinelli@aalto.fi<mailto:massimo.menichinelli@aalto.fi>> wrote:<br>
Hello all,<br>
a couple of free/open alternatives (for the future, after WP):<br>
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Open Journal Systems<br>
<a href="https://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/">https://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/</a><br>
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Uses bootstrap, has support for Metadata (Zotero), probably can assign DOIs. GPL, Dockerized.<br>
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Demo: <a href="https://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/ojs_demo/">https://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/ojs_demo/</a><br>
Repo: <a href="https://github.com/pkp/ojs">https://github.com/pkp/ojs</a><br>
Documentation: <a href="https://pkp.sfu.ca/wiki/index.php?title=OJS_Documentation">
https://pkp.sfu.ca/wiki/index.php?title=OJS_Documentation</a><br>
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Ambra<br>
<a href="https://plos.github.io/ambraproject/">https://plos.github.io/ambraproject/</a><br>
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Used by PLOS ONE... MIT, Dockerized.<br>
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Demo: <a href="http://journals.plos.org/plosone/">http://journals.plos.org/plosone/</a><br>
Repo: <a href="https://github.com/PLOS/ambraproject">https://github.com/PLOS/ambraproject</a><br>
Documentation: <a href="https://plos.github.io/ambraproject/Docs-Home.html">https://plos.github.io/ambraproject/Docs-Home.html</a><br>
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Br,<br>
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Massimo<br>
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From: Menichinelli Massimo<br>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:46:03 PM<br>
To: Journal list<br>
Subject: JoPP website: some thoughts<br>
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Hello all,<br>
<br>
here are some updates about the JoPP website. One year ago I had a call with Peter Troxler and we discussed several things regarding the website, apologies for the long delay.<br>
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Here�s a recap about the call and the main issues:<br>
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In order to avoid any hacking to the website, the back-end (WP) was separated from the public front-end (static html exported from WP); this however disables several functionalities, like the search bar and the pdf generation. This is done in order to avoid
that any visitor can interact with the php code (so they cannot hack it)� but then they cannot use any php function at all (like pdf export).<br>
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Furthermore, it wouldn�t be savy to share the codebase, the configuration or part of them publicly over GitHub or in a similar repository, because we would make it even easier to hack it.<br>
Remember that the link to the WP part can be found in the archives of this mailing list� so it�s still possible to find a way to it. It is important that at least we keep WP and the plugins always updated.<br>
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So, regarding the pdf generation: this of course can be solved in several ways, so for example pdf files can be generated manually and uploaded online, there�s no need for an automatic generation unless the articles changes through time. I�d say: let�s keep
it simple. Printing and then saving the articles as pdf files is already a good way, the print css file is well done. See for example my article:
<a href="https://www.academia.edu/33379609/Makers_as_a_new_work_condition_between_self-employment_and_community_peer-production._Insights_from_a_survey_on_Makers_in_Italy">
https://www.academia.edu/33379609/Makers_as_a_new_work_condition_between_self-employment_and_community_peer-production._Insights_from_a_survey_on_Makers_in_Italy</a><br>
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Pdf files would be also needed for getting a DOI on Zenodo, this is simple & free to do. Zenodo is also free software (GPL), but there's no need to install it on our server, we can use the main service at CERN. On Zenodo a DOI can also be obtained for datasets
and software. This will also make it possible to link each article to the EU projects (and mayne not only EU) that funded it. See for example how I organized the output of the MAKE-IT Horizon 2020 project:
<a href="https://zenodo.org/communities/make-it/?page=1&size=20">https://zenodo.org/communities/make-it/?page=1&size=20</a><br>
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The key question is whether to continue with WP as the back-end, or to move to a completely static site (here GitHub could be adopted) or to use another back-end, maybe one that is specific for journals. If I remember well we thought about keeping the current
system for the moment, trying to improve it as much as possible.<br>
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One major upgrade would be to move to a responsive theme, right now the website is not responsive and reading it on a mobile is way too difficult (we could argue if reading on a mobile is relevant for an online journal, in any case now most of online users
are with mobile devices, but having a responsive theme would just make it easier for any device). The key issue here is, if we move to a responsive theme, to minimise the work on its design by adopting existing themes and with little customization (my suggestion:
use a Bootstrap-based theme), work on a completely new theme would be too much in terms of time.<br>
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Br,<br>
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Massimo<br>
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