<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Dear Mathieu,<br><br></div>many thanks for this link. <span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">I have forgotten this discussion. And now i can read, what i wroye 2 years before and i was very happy.<br><br></span></span></div><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">You see the very different culture of free discussion in the P2P blog. Never they moderate any comment from me. You ask for that. And why?<br><br></span></span></div><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">I read in your answer that you have this discussion about open reflection from the readers of the journal to the texts in the journal. But you don't like to follow any responsibility to the readers.<br><br></span></span></div><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">We can ask, why the authors of the texts write his text. And based on the answers, we can see two basic differences:<br></span></span></div><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">Some authors write only for publishing to create personal importness<br></span></span></div><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">Some authors write as a </span></span><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">contribution to clarification and enlargement<br><br></span></span></div><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">The second one need the feedback, the reflection. The first hate it.<br><br></span></span></div><span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-short_text" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span class="gmail-">And for the people they organise the journal? I think, it is very similar.<br></span></span><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div><div> You can look to Yochai Benkler. All his books, all his text are free readable. And he invite the reader for her reflection.<br><br></div><div>Then look to David Bollier or Christian Fuchs. And what you see? Very different.<br></div><div><br></div><div>many greetings, willi<br></div><div>Asuncion, Paraguay<br><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-29 10:07 GMT-03:00 Mathieu ONeil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Peter, Willi, all</p>
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<p>This is an old discussion so I will summarise the main arguments:</p>
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<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:16px">The clear benefit of </span><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:16px">having a
central archived forum such as a list vs <span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:16px">many separate comments on articles,
blog posts, social media etc is that a list is "push media": everyone interested in the journal gets it, you don't need to search content out and risk missing anything.</span></span><br>
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<p>Moreover, I don't believe we are under any obligation to provide an open platform to anyone in our journal. As I see it, we are aiming to present persuasive and well-thought out ideas about P2P, and we debate collectively how best to achieve this goal on
lists. Now, if someone wants to debate with an author, they can do so on this list, or do it privately, and then it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether they wanted to include an addendum to their article (for ex), or write another article.</p>
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<p>Otherwise we are essentially imposing a perspective on a<span style="font-size:12pt">uthors, who may not wish to have to respond to all and sundry who make critical comments. For example personally I would not like it if someone made comments such as the
ones at the end of the blog post linked to below to a JoPP article, as they are not respectful and it would be embarrassing for the author:</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/discussion-a-critique-of-left-politics/2014/03/28" class="gmail-m_-2119758054965948876OWAAutoLink" id="gmail-m_-2119758054965948876LPlnk213142" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.<wbr>net/discussion-a-critique-of-<wbr>left-politics/2014/03/28</a><br>
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<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:16px">Opening all articles to comments would probably require moderation,
a time-consuming activity. </span>So, what I'm trying to say is that genuine, substantial discussion should of course be encouraged but that there needs to be mechanisms for this discussion to be freely agreed to by both sides - not imposed. </p>
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<div>I'd be happy to allow discussion on articles via the site, too. I'd be happy to receive pointers / experiences with FLOSS systems ...</div>
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