[JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?

Sat Dec 14 03:08:40 CET 2013

Hi George

OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015. 

What do you think?

@all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first.

cheers

Mathieu

Jan 2014: Value/Currency
July 2014: Shared Machine Shops
Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I.
Jan 2015: Law and Disruption
July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?)

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Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p     developments?

No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage
and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the
evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution
would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations
with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these
policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you
guys think?

-G.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <felix at openflows.com> wrote:
> To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a
> very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of
> such a project, there is very little research about it possible.
>
> One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan
> two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the
> project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes
> critically.
>
> The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there
> is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include
> substantive contributions from outsiders.
>
> Felix
>
>
> On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote:
>> If the editors think its possible, why not?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback
>>> from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule)
>>> issue as discussed with George...?
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Mathieu
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29
>>> To: Mathieu ONeil
>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list
>>> Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
>>>
>>> Hi Mathieu,
>>>
>>> We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding
>>> the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it
>>> might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and
>>> disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If
>>> doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities,
>>> then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of
>>> papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in
>>> september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi George
>>>>
>>>> Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and
>>> Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is
>>> yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does
>>> have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the
>>> political economy there? etc).
>>>>
>>>> I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing
>>> this exciting message with the journal list...
>>>>
>>>> Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as
>>> possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently
>>> released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two
>>> issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's
>>> attention quite a bit I think).
>>>>
>>>> So, this is what is is planned:
>>>>
>>>> Jan 2014: value/currency
>>>> July 2014: shared machine shops
>>>> Jan 2015: law and disruption
>>>>
>>>> So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed
>>> release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan
>>> 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other
>>> ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single
>>> release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a
>>> delayed socio-political impact?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and
>>> curious to see what others think about it.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mathieu
>>>>
>>>> * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional
>>> issue and disregard the biannual schedule.
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24
>>>> To: Mathieu ONeil
>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis
>>>> Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mathieu,
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on
>>>> the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the
>>>> Internet: the research project tasked with developing
>>>> policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the
>>>> commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens.
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the
>>>> Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies
>>>> towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and
>>>> Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that
>>>> includes 7 contributions:
>>>>
>>>> -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream
>>>> coordinator will contribute a paper
>>>> -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too
>>>> -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction.
>>>>
>>>> As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as
>>> follows:
>>>>
>>>> -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014
>>>> -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP
>>>> reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the
>>>> end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and
>>>> re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014.
>>>> -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know.
>>>>
>>>> x,
>>>> g.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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