[PeDAGoG] [REDlistserve] A new article on the RED website - "The path to a just and sustainable society"

[Hari DK]

Hi,

Regarding the original article by Ted Trainer...

I'd love to live in one of those eco-communes with the happy backyard
chickens and 2 days of work.. :)

always more questions :P

-would the process of creating communes scale quickly enough (via good
examples and prefiguration) to mitigate the climate crisis? or is that a
secondary objective?

-if the communes don't scale fast enough to avert the climate crisis, then
wouldn't we necessarily need to solve within the system of consumer
capitalism (through climate-tech innovation, initiatives like CDP
<https://www.cdp.net/en> etc).

-is this a model only for the rich countries? what's happening in the poor
ones?

-I'm very interested in how the devolution of consumer capitalist value
chains might occur to the local business models.

Best,

On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 22:55, David Barkin <dpbarkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some time ago I argued on this RED Listserve that there are hundreds of
> communities already involved in constructing their own societies on the
> margins of the capitalist states of which they are a part.  (I enclose a
> published version of that contribution for those who dont recall our
> shorter piece, so nicely mentored by Dev) These groups are forming
> alliances and networks on a global scale (I.e., consider the example of the
> Territories of Life consortium whose participating members occupy as much
> as one-quarter of the planet's land area; or the efforts of the Global
> Tapestry of Alternatives, whose origins are in India, but now extend widely
> across the globe). Most of these groups are explicitly confronting
> inherited challenges, such as women's participation and significance in
> governance and socio-cultural definition, as well as the need to reshape
> their food and production systems while caring for their natural
> environments, while assuming control of their territories.
>
> Here in Mexico, of course, is the iconic example of the Zapatistas, whose
> ranks now number perhaps one-half million people from several different
> ethnic groups of Mayan origin.  Their present foray into Europe to explore
> the paths to constructing international solidarity is a notable complement
> to the work that they are doing within Mexico with their allies in the
> National Indigeous Congress, with its 25 million members. Other sizable
> groups with less international visibility include the Tosepan Cooperative
> founded in 1977 and with almost 200,000 members at present. Resistance
> struggles against capitalist mega projects are also mobilizing uncounted
> numbers of communities who are now realizing the importance of moving
> beyond protest to forge their own models of societies  moving forward.
>
> Abrazos and Saludos from Mexico ---
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:46 AM mp <mp at aktivix.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> ...the state we're in..
>>
>> On 29/09/2021 16:22, Hari DK wrote:
>>
>> > -Also, as hinted in some of the comments by others - how is this future
>> > achieved? is it an organic emergent? or is it top down? capitalism in
>> its
>> > original form is arguably an organic emergent of human settlement
>> (farming
>> > societies stored seeds for the next harvest. of course I am not talking
>> > about degenerate, technologically amplified capitalism we might find
>> > ourselves trapped in.)
>>
>> In a sense I guess everything is arguably emergent - but I'd prefer to
>> look at the world differently here:
>>
>> And say: It was always imposed, always an elite construction from the
>> top down and little has changed in basic terms the last 6000 years:
>> still turning on grains/ploughing, slaves, taxation, debt and
>> extraction. See for instance James Scott's
>>
>>
>> https://read.dukeupress.edu/common-knowledge/article-abstract/27/1/111/168419/Against-the-Grain-A-Deep-History-of-the-Earliest
>>
>> In that light "Capitalism" is simply a reimposition, a re-application of
>> same old tested and tried model of civilisation -- which collapses on
>> average after 250 years when the soil is depleted - see David Montgomery:
>>
>> The original study: "Dirt: The Erosion of
>> Civilizations"https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/587916.Dirt
>>
>> Or the more interesting, constructive, later response (with a summary of
>> Dirt):
>>
>> "Growing a Revolution: Bringing Our Soil Back to Life" /
>> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36236132-growing-a-revolution
>>
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>
>
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> David Barkin
> Mexico
>


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