[PeDAGoG] [REDlistserve] A new article on the RED website - "The path to a just and sustainable society"

Fri Oct 1 07:59:39 CEST 2021

I'm copying in Bhushan Patil, who is part of such a community close to Pune
in Maharashtra, India.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 12:45 AM Hari DK <hari.coding at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Regarding the original article by Ted Trainer...
>
> I'd love to live in one of those eco-communes with the happy backyard
> chickens and 2 days of work.. :)
>
> always more questions :P
>
> -would the process of creating communes scale quickly enough (via good
> examples and prefiguration) to mitigate the climate crisis? or is that a
> secondary objective?
>
> -if the communes don't scale fast enough to avert the climate crisis, then
> wouldn't we necessarily need to solve within the system of consumer
> capitalism (through climate-tech innovation, initiatives like CDP
> <https://www.cdp.net/en> etc).
>
> -is this a model only for the rich countries? what's happening in the poor
> ones?
>
> -I'm very interested in how the devolution of consumer capitalist value
> chains might occur to the local business models.
>
> Best,
>
> On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 22:55, David Barkin <dpbarkin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Some time ago I argued on this RED Listserve that there are hundreds of
>> communities already involved in constructing their own societies on the
>> margins of the capitalist states of which they are a part.  (I enclose a
>> published version of that contribution for those who dont recall our
>> shorter piece, so nicely mentored by Dev) These groups are forming
>> alliances and networks on a global scale (I.e., consider the example of the
>> Territories of Life consortium whose participating members occupy as much
>> as one-quarter of the planet's land area; or the efforts of the Global
>> Tapestry of Alternatives, whose origins are in India, but now extend widely
>> across the globe). Most of these groups are explicitly confronting
>> inherited challenges, such as women's participation and significance in
>> governance and socio-cultural definition, as well as the need to reshape
>> their food and production systems while caring for their natural
>> environments, while assuming control of their territories.
>>
>> Here in Mexico, of course, is the iconic example of the Zapatistas, whose
>> ranks now number perhaps one-half million people from several different
>> ethnic groups of Mayan origin.  Their present foray into Europe to explore
>> the paths to constructing international solidarity is a notable complement
>> to the work that they are doing within Mexico with their allies in the
>> National Indigeous Congress, with its 25 million members. Other sizable
>> groups with less international visibility include the Tosepan Cooperative
>> founded in 1977 and with almost 200,000 members at present. Resistance
>> struggles against capitalist mega projects are also mobilizing uncounted
>> numbers of communities who are now realizing the importance of moving
>> beyond protest to forge their own models of societies  moving forward.
>>
>> Abrazos and Saludos from Mexico ---
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:46 AM mp <mp at aktivix.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ...the state we're in..
>>>
>>> On 29/09/2021 16:22, Hari DK wrote:
>>>
>>> > -Also, as hinted in some of the comments by others - how is this future
>>> > achieved? is it an organic emergent? or is it top down? capitalism in
>>> its
>>> > original form is arguably an organic emergent of human settlement
>>> (farming
>>> > societies stored seeds for the next harvest. of course I am not talking
>>> > about degenerate, technologically amplified capitalism we might find
>>> > ourselves trapped in.)
>>>
>>> In a sense I guess everything is arguably emergent - but I'd prefer to
>>> look at the world differently here:
>>>
>>> And say: It was always imposed, always an elite construction from the
>>> top down and little has changed in basic terms the last 6000 years:
>>> still turning on grains/ploughing, slaves, taxation, debt and
>>> extraction. See for instance James Scott's
>>>
>>>
>>> https://read.dukeupress.edu/common-knowledge/article-abstract/27/1/111/168419/Against-the-Grain-A-Deep-History-of-the-Earliest
>>>
>>> In that light "Capitalism" is simply a reimposition, a re-application of
>>> same old tested and tried model of civilisation -- which collapses on
>>> average after 250 years when the soil is depleted - see David Montgomery:
>>>
>>> The original study: "Dirt: The Erosion of
>>> Civilizations"https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/587916.Dirt
>>>
>>> Or the more interesting, constructive, later response (with a summary of
>>> Dirt):
>>>
>>> "Growing a Revolution: Bringing Our Soil Back to Life" /
>>> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36236132-growing-a-revolution
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> David Barkin
>> Mexico
>>
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