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Ya vi varios artículos que hablan de esto, y todos tienen mas o menos los mismos títulos, títulos que dan a entender que la NSA puede romper la encriptación. Pero después, al leer los artículos dicen que tanto la NSA como la GCHQ han invertido mucho y siguen laburando en eso, sin embargo ninguno dice que hayan logrado hacerlo. Lo que sí confirman es que han metido gente en distintas empresas y backdoors en cierto soft. A lo que voy, es que no está confirmado que hayan roto sistemas de encriptación, y si lo han hecho tampoco se sabe cuales. Si pongo un poco en conspiranóico me suena mas a operación para hacer creer que encriptar es una pérdida de tiempo, que otra cosa. Incluso en ese mismo artículo, citan una frase de Snowden: “Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on,” he said, though cautioning that the N.S.A. often bypasses the encryption altogether by targeting the computers at one end or the other and grabbing text before it is encrypted or after it is decrypted. Es decir, algo que ya hemos hablado (no se si acá o en movimiento), que gastarse en criticar o buscar alternativas a los sistemas de encriptación es un poco tonto, ya que son el eslabon mas fuerte de la cadena de seguridad. En todo caso habría que tener mas cuidado antes y después de eso. El 06/09/2013 08:29 a.m., Diego Saravia escribió:
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On Sáb 07 Sep 2013 15:12:59 Matías Croce escribió:
Ya vi varios artículos que hablan de esto, y todos tienen mas o menos los mismos títulos, títulos que dan a entender que la NSA puede romper la encriptación. Pero después, al leer los artículos dicen que tanto la NSA como la GCHQ han invertido mucho y siguen laburando en eso, sin embargo ninguno dice que hayan logrado hacerlo. Lo que sí confirman es que han metido gente en distintas empresas y backdoors en cierto soft.
A lo que voy, es que no está confirmado que hayan roto sistemas de encriptación, y si lo han hecho tampoco se sabe cuales. Si pongo un poco en conspiranóico me suena mas a operación para hacer creer que encriptar es una pérdida de tiempo, que otra cosa.
Incluso en ese mismo artículo, citan una frase de Snowden: “Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on,” he said, though cautioning that the N.S.A. often bypasses the encryption altogether by targeting the computers at one end or the other and grabbing text before it is encrypted or after it is decrypted.
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Es tonto si el espionaje fuera puntual pero se trata de un espionaje masivo que daña la capacidad política de resistencia de las masas ante los que se presentan como jerarcas entonces la respuesta a lo masivo es lo importante, sobre todo
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The National Security Agency is winning its long-running secret war on encryption, using supercomputers, technical trickery, court orders and behind-the-scenes persuasion to undermine the major tools protecting the privacy of everyday communications in the Internet age, according to newly disclosed documents. The agency has circumvented or cracked much of the encryption, or digital scrambling, that guards global commerce and banking systems, protects sensitive data like trade secrets and medical records, and automatically secures the e-mails, Web searches, Internet chats and phone calls of Americans and others around the world, the documents show. Many users assume — or have been assured by Internet companies — that their data is safe from prying eyes, including those of the government, and the N.S.A. wants to keep it that way. The agency treats its recent successes in deciphering protected information as among its most closely guarded secrets, restricted to those cleared for a highly classified program code-named Bullrun, according to the documents, provided by Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor.
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gastarse en criticar o buscar alternativas a los sistemas de encriptación es un poco tonto, ya que son el eslabon mas fuerte de la cadena de seguridad.
asi es: aún si se los descifrare -que no- jamás los "persuadirán"
behind-the-scenes persuasion to undermine the major tools protecting the privacy of everyday communications in the Internet age, according to newly disclosed documents.
ese es el meo en el hoyo y el fondo de toda encripción: que alguien esté persuadido -o no- esa es es la cuestión
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nah ni empedocles (si lo haces te tendran que matar y despues? quien se ocupa de la vidua eh)
El día 7 de septiembre de 2013 18:40, Gerardo Diaz <[email protected]> escribió:
gastarse en criticar o buscar alternativas a los sistemas de encriptación es un poco tonto, ya que son el eslabon mas fuerte de la cadena de seguridad.
asi es: aún si se los descifrare -que no- jamás los "persuadirán"
behind-the-scenes persuasion to undermine the major tools protecting the privacy of everyday communications in the Internet age, according to newly disclosed documents.
ese es el meo en el hoyo y el fondo de toda encripción: que alguien esté persuadido -o no- esa es es la cuestión
por ejemplo esta fue bien persuadida la directora de Yahoo! admitió que temió terminar presa si no colaboraba con la CIA "Si uno no cumple, es traición", explicó Marissa Mayer durante una conferencia tecnológica. ajá? y si cumple, no? then the question is not whether you betrayed someone or not, the question is whom to betray to Gerardo Díaz email: [email protected] blog: http://QueHacemosConLasPilas.WordPress.com
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