Fwd: [hipatia] Opiniones de Linus Torvalds
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez <[email protected]> Date: 21-sep-2006 0:23 Subject: [hipatia] Opiniones de Linus Torvalds To: [email protected] Torvalds lambasts Free Software Foundation July 28, 2006 3:12 PM PDT Linux leader Linus Torvalds had some sharp words about the Free Software Foundation its founder, Richard Stallman, and his philosophical motivations. The foundation is updating the General Public License (GPL) that governs thousands of open-source software projects, including the Linux operating system kernel. Torvalds has explicitly chosen GPL version 2 to govern Linux, and Torvalds' objections to GPLv3 drafts, it appears unlikely he'll change that position. Torvalds, though, objects not just to the terms of the new license, but to the foundation's motivations, Stallman's philosophy, and the process by which the foundation and its top lawyer, Eben Moglen, are updating the GPL. In postings today to the Groklaw legal discussion site--where issues often are hotly debated--Torvalds unleashed several criticisms. (He confirmed the postings' authenticity in an e-mail to CNET News.com.) GPLv2 is about a "quid pro quo": If I give you my open-source software, you're free to use it but must give the world back any changes you make, Torvalds said. "The reason for the GPL as far as the FSF is concerned was never 'fairness.' It was all about a higher calling, and about something that the FSF thinks is much bigger--'freedom,'" Torvalds said in one posting. "I disagree. I think that 'freedom' is fine, but we're not exactly talking about slavery here. Trying to make it look like we're the Abraham Lincoln of our generation just makes us look stupid and stuck up. I'd much rather talk about 'fairness' and about issues like just being a much better process for generating better code, and having fun while doing so." The GPLv3, Torvalds added, is "inferior" to its predecessor. "It's purely a firebrand, and only good for the extremist policies of the FSF," Torvalds said. "The FSF doesn't like that Linux in particular turned the GPLv2 into something pragmatic. The GPLv3 is designed to take the FSF back to its original 'good old days,' when 'Free Software' was a war, and RMS (Stallman) was its proselytizing general. But the fact is, it's not a war, and peaceful and happy co-existence is actually much preferable to moral jihads." "The FSF has been acting idiotic for the last decade. Why do you think it's called 'open source' in the first place? Exactly because the FSF has made a dirty word out of freedom,'" he said in another posting. (The term "open-source software" was coined in the late 1990s to describe an offshoot of "free software" movement.) "The people who are spoiling for a fight are not the people who are actually getting things done." Torvalds said he believes fear is the impetus behind the new GPL. "Every single big and fundamental addition to the GPLv3 is about hate and fear," he said. And it's a bad motivation, he argued: "No good code ever comes out of people who do things because they are afraid, or because they hate. Look at all the idiotic choices that Sun (Microsystems) has made with respect to Java and other things. A lot of them seem to be directly a result not of trying to do the right thing to their customer, but because of fear and loathing of their competition." The result: "The GPLv3 is a total disaster," Torvalds said in another post. Torvalds also criticized the GPLv3 process. "So as far as I can tell, the whole GPLv3 'process' has been a sham from the very beginning. Eben and Richard talk about 'discussion drafts,' but it's not 'discussion' if you don't actually care what the other side says," Torvalds said. "And Richard most definitely doesn't care." _______________________________________________ lista coordinadores-hipatia [email protected] http://listas.hipatia.info/mailman/listinfo/coordinadores-hipatia www.listas.hipatia.info - [email protected] -- Diego Saravia [email protected] NO FUNCIONA->[email protected]
El Jueves, 21 de Septiembre de 2006 15:49, Diego Saravia escribió:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez <[email protected]> Date: 21-sep-2006 0:23 Subject: [hipatia] Opiniones de Linus Torvalds To: [email protected]
Se tornó dura la mano: si muchos desarrolladores siguen la idea de Linus de "no importan los DRM", tendremos un futuro negro ¿no?, porque la creación de drivers será más compleja porque podría ser ilegal examinar un hardware con DRM, ¿no?
Torvalds lambasts Free Software Foundation
July 28, 2006 3:12 PM PDT
Linux leader Linus Torvalds had some sharp words about the Free Software Foundation its founder, Richard Stallman, and his philosophical motivations.
The foundation is updating the General Public License (GPL) that governs thousands of open-source software projects, including the Linux operating system kernel. Torvalds has explicitly chosen GPL version 2 to govern Linux, and Torvalds' objections to GPLv3 drafts, it appears unlikely he'll change that position.
Torvalds, though, objects not just to the terms of the new license, but to the foundation's motivations, Stallman's philosophy, and the process by which the foundation and its top lawyer, Eben Moglen, are updating the GPL. In postings today to the Groklaw legal discussion site--where issues often are hotly debated--Torvalds unleashed several criticisms. (He confirmed the postings' authenticity in an e-mail to CNET News.com.)
GPLv2 is about a "quid pro quo": If I give you my open-source software, you're free to use it but must give the world back any changes you make, Torvalds said. "The reason for the GPL as far as the FSF is concerned was never 'fairness.' It was all about a higher calling, and about something that the FSF thinks is much bigger--'freedom,'" Torvalds said in one posting. "I disagree. I think that 'freedom' is fine, but we're not exactly talking about slavery here. Trying to make it look like we're the Abraham Lincoln of our generation just makes us look stupid and stuck up. I'd much rather talk about 'fairness' and about issues like just being a much better process for generating better code, and having fun while doing so."
The GPLv3, Torvalds added, is "inferior" to its predecessor. "It's purely a firebrand, and only good for the extremist policies of the FSF," Torvalds said. "The FSF doesn't like that Linux in particular turned the GPLv2 into something pragmatic. The GPLv3 is designed to take the FSF back to its original 'good old days,' when 'Free Software' was a war, and RMS (Stallman) was its proselytizing general. But the fact is, it's not a war, and peaceful and happy co-existence is actually much preferable to moral jihads."
"The FSF has been acting idiotic for the last decade. Why do you think it's called 'open source' in the first place? Exactly because the FSF has made a dirty word out of freedom,'" he said in another posting. (The term "open-source software" was coined in the late 1990s to describe an offshoot of "free software" movement.) "The people who are spoiling for a fight are not the people who are actually getting things done."
Torvalds said he believes fear is the impetus behind the new GPL. "Every single big and fundamental addition to the GPLv3 is about hate and fear," he said. And it's a bad motivation, he argued: "No good code ever comes out of people who do things because they are afraid, or because they hate. Look at all the idiotic choices that Sun (Microsystems) has made with respect to Java and other things. A lot of them seem to be directly a result not of trying to do the right thing to their customer, but because of fear and loathing of their competition."
The result: "The GPLv3 is a total disaster," Torvalds said in another post.
Torvalds also criticized the GPLv3 process. "So as far as I can tell, the whole GPLv3 'process' has been a sham from the very beginning. Eben and Richard talk about 'discussion drafts,' but it's not 'discussion' if you don't actually care what the other side says," Torvalds said. "And Richard most definitely doesn't care." _______________________________________________ lista coordinadores-hipatia [email protected] http://listas.hipatia.info/mailman/listinfo/coordinadores-hipatia www.listas.hipatia.info - [email protected]
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el drm es el establecimiiento de la dictadura digital definitva solo podras ejecutar los programas que las empresas quieran 2006/9/21, Marcos Guglielmetti <[email protected]>:
El Jueves, 21 de Septiembre de 2006 15:49, Diego Saravia escribió:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez <[email protected]> Date: 21-sep-2006 0:23 Subject: [hipatia] Opiniones de Linus Torvalds To: [email protected]
Se tornó dura la mano: si muchos desarrolladores siguen la idea de Linus de "no importan los DRM", tendremos un futuro negro ¿no?, porque la creación de drivers será más compleja porque podría ser ilegal examinar un hardware con DRM, ¿no?
Torvalds lambasts Free Software Foundation
July 28, 2006 3:12 PM PDT
Linux leader Linus Torvalds had some sharp words about the Free Software Foundation its founder, Richard Stallman, and his philosophical motivations.
The foundation is updating the General Public License (GPL) that governs thousands of open-source software projects, including the Linux operating system kernel. Torvalds has explicitly chosen GPL version 2 to govern Linux, and Torvalds' objections to GPLv3 drafts, it appears unlikely he'll change that position.
Torvalds, though, objects not just to the terms of the new license, but to the foundation's motivations, Stallman's philosophy, and the process by which the foundation and its top lawyer, Eben Moglen, are updating the GPL. In postings today to the Groklaw legal discussion site--where issues often are hotly debated--Torvalds unleashed several criticisms. (He confirmed the postings' authenticity in an e-mail to CNET News.com.)
GPLv2 is about a "quid pro quo": If I give you my open-source software, you're free to use it but must give the world back any changes you make, Torvalds said. "The reason for the GPL as far as the FSF is concerned was never 'fairness.' It was all about a higher calling, and about something that the FSF thinks is much bigger--'freedom,'" Torvalds said in one posting. "I disagree. I think that 'freedom' is fine, but we're not exactly talking about slavery here. Trying to make it look like we're the Abraham Lincoln of our generation just makes us look stupid and stuck up. I'd much rather talk about 'fairness' and about issues like just being a much better process for generating better code, and having fun while doing so."
The GPLv3, Torvalds added, is "inferior" to its predecessor. "It's purely a firebrand, and only good for the extremist policies of the FSF," Torvalds said. "The FSF doesn't like that Linux in particular turned the GPLv2 into something pragmatic. The GPLv3 is designed to take the FSF back to its original 'good old days,' when 'Free Software' was a war, and RMS (Stallman) was its proselytizing general. But the fact is, it's not a war, and peaceful and happy co-existence is actually much preferable to moral jihads."
"The FSF has been acting idiotic for the last decade. Why do you think it's called 'open source' in the first place? Exactly because the FSF has made a dirty word out of freedom,'" he said in another posting. (The term "open-source software" was coined in the late 1990s to describe an offshoot of "free software" movement.) "The people who are spoiling for a fight are not the people who are actually getting things done."
Torvalds said he believes fear is the impetus behind the new GPL. "Every single big and fundamental addition to the GPLv3 is about hate and fear," he said. And it's a bad motivation, he argued: "No good code ever comes out of people who do things because they are afraid, or because they hate. Look at all the idiotic choices that Sun (Microsystems) has made with respect to Java and other things. A lot of them seem to be directly a result not of trying to do the right thing to their customer, but because of fear and loathing of their competition."
The result: "The GPLv3 is a total disaster," Torvalds said in another post.
Torvalds also criticized the GPLv3 process. "So as far as I can tell, the whole GPLv3 'process' has been a sham from the very beginning. Eben and Richard talk about 'discussion drafts,' but it's not 'discussion' if you don't actually care what the other side says," Torvalds said. "And Richard most definitely doesn't care." _______________________________________________ lista coordinadores-hipatia [email protected] http://listas.hipatia.info/mailman/listinfo/coordinadores-hipatia www.listas.hipatia.info - [email protected]
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El Viernes, 22 de Septiembre de 2006 02:13, Diego Saravia escribió:
el drm es el establecimiiento de la dictadura digital definitva
solo podras ejecutar los programas que las empresas quieran
y bueno, por qué este linus habla de odio y cosas por el estilo en una GPL v3 que busca frenar esa dictadura? debemos pensar que es muy boludo?
2006/9/21, Marcos Guglielmetti <[email protected]>:
El Jueves, 21 de Septiembre de 2006 15:49, Diego Saravia escribió:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez <[email protected]> Date: 21-sep-2006 0:23 Subject: [hipatia] Opiniones de Linus Torvalds To: [email protected]
Se tornó dura la mano: si muchos desarrolladores siguen la idea de Linus de "no importan los DRM", tendremos un futuro negro ¿no?, porque la creación de drivers será más compleja porque podría ser ilegal examinar un hardware con DRM, ¿no?
Torvalds lambasts Free Software Foundation
July 28, 2006 3:12 PM PDT
Linux leader Linus Torvalds had some sharp words about the Free Software Foundation its founder, Richard Stallman, and his philosophical motivations.
The foundation is updating the General Public License (GPL) that governs thousands of open-source software projects, including the Linux operating system kernel. Torvalds has explicitly chosen GPL version 2 to govern Linux, and Torvalds' objections to GPLv3 drafts, it appears unlikely he'll change that position.
Torvalds, though, objects not just to the terms of the new license, but to the foundation's motivations, Stallman's philosophy, and the process by which the foundation and its top lawyer, Eben Moglen, are updating the GPL. In postings today to the Groklaw legal discussion site--where issues often are hotly debated--Torvalds unleashed several criticisms. (He confirmed the postings' authenticity in an e-mail to CNET News.com.)
GPLv2 is about a "quid pro quo": If I give you my open-source software, you're free to use it but must give the world back any changes you make, Torvalds said. "The reason for the GPL as far as the FSF is concerned was never 'fairness.' It was all about a higher calling, and about something that the FSF thinks is much bigger--'freedom,'" Torvalds said in one posting. "I disagree. I think that 'freedom' is fine, but we're not exactly talking about slavery here. Trying to make it look like we're the Abraham Lincoln of our generation just makes us look stupid and stuck up. I'd much rather talk about 'fairness' and about issues like just being a much better process for generating better code, and having fun while doing so."
The GPLv3, Torvalds added, is "inferior" to its predecessor. "It's purely a firebrand, and only good for the extremist policies of the FSF," Torvalds said. "The FSF doesn't like that Linux in particular turned the GPLv2 into something pragmatic. The GPLv3 is designed to take the FSF back to its original 'good old days,' when 'Free Software' was a war, and RMS (Stallman) was its proselytizing general. But the fact is, it's not a war, and peaceful and happy co-existence is actually much preferable to moral jihads."
"The FSF has been acting idiotic for the last decade. Why do you think it's called 'open source' in the first place? Exactly because the FSF has made a dirty word out of freedom,'" he said in another posting. (The term "open-source software" was coined in the late 1990s to describe an offshoot of "free software" movement.) "The people who are spoiling for a fight are not the people who are actually getting things done."
Torvalds said he believes fear is the impetus behind the new GPL. "Every single big and fundamental addition to the GPLv3 is about hate and fear," he said. And it's a bad motivation, he argued: "No good code ever comes out of people who do things because they are afraid, or because they hate. Look at all the idiotic choices that Sun (Microsystems) has made with respect to Java and other things. A lot of them seem to be directly a result not of trying to do the right thing to their customer, but because of fear and loathing of their competition."
The result: "The GPLv3 is a total disaster," Torvalds said in another post.
Torvalds also criticized the GPLv3 process. "So as far as I can tell, the whole GPLv3 'process' has been a sham from the very beginning. Eben and Richard talk about 'discussion drafts,' but it's not 'discussion' if you don't actually care what the other side says," Torvalds said. "And Richard most definitely doesn't care." _______________________________________________ lista coordinadores-hipatia [email protected] http://listas.hipatia.info/mailman/listinfo/coordinadores-hipatia www.listas.hipatia.info - [email protected]
-- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode
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On 9/21/06, Marcos Guglielmetti <[email protected]> wrote:
El Viernes, 22 de Septiembre de 2006 02:13, Diego Saravia escribió:
el drm es el establecimiiento de la dictadura digital definitva
solo podras ejecutar los programas que las empresas quieran
y bueno, por qué este linus habla de odio y cosas por el estilo en una GPL v3 que busca frenar esa dictadura? debemos pensar que es muy boludo? Me parece que habría que bajar un cambio con las críticas, gracias a "este linus" vos tenés la posibilidad de tener tu propio SO sin necesidad de programarlo, que loco, no?
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:05:51 -0300 "Herman Maseberg" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 9/21/06, Marcos Guglielmetti <[email protected]> wrote:
El Viernes, 22 de Septiembre de 2006 02:13, Diego Saravia escribió:
el drm es el establecimiiento de la dictadura digital definitva
solo podras ejecutar los programas que las empresas quieran
y bueno, por qué este linus habla de odio y cosas por el estilo en una GPL v3 que busca frenar esa dictadura? debemos pensar que es muy boludo? Me parece que habría que bajar un cambio con las críticas, gracias a "este linus" vos tenés la posibilidad de tener tu propio SO sin necesidad de programarlo, que loco, no?
En realidad eso no asi como lo dices. Linux desarrollo un kernel, importante pero un kernel. Si solo ejecutas el kernel en una pc no es usable la pc. Lo mismo que sin un kernel un monton de programas para las actividades del usuario no serian funcionales. Como en otros ambitos de nuestra existencia, la relacion entre diferentes partes da como resultado la funcionalidad. Linus aun siendo el que origino el kernel linux, hoy por hoy como en todo proyecto libre de desarrollo de software la autoria es compartida con mucha gente. O sea que gracias a la GPL-2 fue que mas "cabezas" pudieron hacer lo que es hoy el kernel linux. EL conocimiento, el aporte y el desarrollo compartido como toda unidad dialectica tiene una parte que permite mejorar el desarrollo y la funcionalidad gracias a la perdida de la autoria sobre el mismo (su contraparte). happy hacking!! -- Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) - UTUTO "Al asesinato en masa los hombres lo llaman guerra" "No digo nombre ni señas, solo digo compañeros" Viglietti "No soy mas libre por usar solamente software libre. Soy mas libre porque se por que lo uso" ICQ: 8368437 - Jabber: [email protected] IPv4/IPv6 site: www.ututo.org Blog: daniel.ututo.org SIP address: sip:[email protected] UTUTO XS 2006 GNU System - 100% software libre
On 9/22/06, Daniel Olivera <[email protected]> wrote:
En realidad eso no asi como lo dices. Linux desarrollo un kernel, importante pero un kernel.
y ni siquiera eso... quiero decir, desarrollo las primeras versiones, pero del kernel que usamos hoy, un % muy bajo es copyright linus torvalds. eso no le quita merito en su trabajo de coordinacion de desarrollo, ni es motivo para llamarlo b*ludo (aunque ha cometido bastante exabruptos como para merecerlo :P), pero es asi. -- Santiago Roza [email protected]
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:59:48 -0300 "Santiago Roza" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 9/22/06, Daniel Olivera <[email protected]> wrote:
En realidad eso no asi como lo dices. Linux desarrollo un kernel, importante pero un kernel.
y ni siquiera eso... quiero decir, desarrollo las primeras versiones, pero del kernel que usamos hoy, un % muy bajo es copyright linus torvalds.
eso no le quita merito en su trabajo de coordinacion de desarrollo, ni es motivo para llamarlo b*ludo (aunque ha cometido bastante exabruptos como para merecerlo :P), pero es asi.
En el caso de mi texto no expreso juicios de valor sobre el desarrollo iniciado por Torvalds. Los tengo pero no es la idea de mi mensaje. Solo muestro hechos comprobables de la manera mas objetiva segun los elementos de analisis que tengo. happy hacking!! -- Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) - UTUTO "Al asesinato en masa los hombres lo llaman guerra" "No digo nombre ni señas, solo digo compañeros" Viglietti "No soy mas libre por usar solamente software libre. Soy mas libre porque se por que lo uso" ICQ: 8368437 - Jabber: [email protected] IPv4/IPv6 site: www.ututo.org Blog: daniel.ututo.org SIP address: sip:[email protected] UTUTO XS 2006 GNU System - 100% software libre
On 9/22/06, Daniel Olivera <[email protected]> wrote:
En realidad eso no asi como lo dices. Linux desarrollo un kernel, importante pero un kernel. Así como lo ponés parece algo insignificante pero por ejemplo la distribución que desarrollaste también proviene de allí. Si solo ejecutas el kernel en una pc no es usable la pc. Por suerte después de 14 años de laburar de esto entendí esa diferencia. Linus aun siendo el que origino el kernel linux, hoy por hoy como en todo proyecto libre de desarrollo de software la autoria es compartida con mucha gente. Pero alguien la comienza.
Al margen de esto parece que la comunidad está cambiando el enemigo, ahora no solo es MS sino que también Linux perdon Linus es del eje del mal :)
On 9/22/06, Herman Maseberg <[email protected]> wrote:
Al margen de esto parece que la comunidad está cambiando el enemigo, ahora no solo es MS sino que también Linux perdon Linus es del eje del mal :)
jaja no creo que sea asi, pero si que linus muchas veces se gano y gana antipatias al p*do, de calenton nomas, hablando mal del escritorio gnome, de stallman, de tridge, de la fsf, y de mucha gente mas. -- Santiago Roza [email protected]
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:54:06 -0300 "Herman Maseberg" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 9/22/06, Daniel Olivera <[email protected]> wrote:
En realidad eso no asi como lo dices. Linux desarrollo un kernel, importante pero un kernel. Así como lo ponés parece algo insignificante pero por ejemplo la distribución que desarrollaste también proviene de allí.
En realidad es como el huevo y la gallina. El proyecto Gnu existia, el linux no era libre al principio luego si. Como existia GNU, linux pudo tener GPL-2. Gracias a GPL-2 mas gente pudo apoyar el progreso de linux y el proyecto GNU tuvo un kernel usable para el sistema GNU.
Si solo ejecutas el kernel en una pc no es usable la pc. Por suerte después de 14 años de laburar de esto entendí esa diferencia.
Linus aun siendo el que origino el kernel linux, hoy por hoy como en todo proyecto libre de desarrollo de software la autoria es compartida con mucha gente.
Pero alguien la comienza.
Siempre alguien empieza un proceso creativo y es una realidad innegable. El merito esta Linus creo el kernel linux y eso no existe posibilidad de refutarlo.
Al margen de esto parece que la comunidad está cambiando el enemigo, ahora no solo es MS sino que también Linux perdon Linus es del eje del mal :)
No creo sea asi. Linux tiene su pensamiento y solo aporta a la ecologia del SL. Es importante toda forma de pensar para poder tener mas opiniones desde diferentes visiones. happy hacking!! -- Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) - UTUTO "Al asesinato en masa los hombres lo llaman guerra" "No digo nombre ni señas, solo digo compañeros" Viglietti "No soy mas libre por usar solamente software libre. Soy mas libre porque se por que lo uso" ICQ: 8368437 - Jabber: [email protected] IPv4/IPv6 site: www.ututo.org Blog: daniel.ututo.org SIP address: sip:[email protected] UTUTO XS 2006 GNU System - 100% software libre
El Viernes, 22 de Septiembre de 2006 15:05, Herman Maseberg escribió:
y bueno, por qué este linus habla de odio y cosas por el estilo en una GPL v3 que busca frenar esa dictadura? debemos pensar que es muy boludo?
Me parece que habría que bajar un cambio con las críticas,
fue una puteada, no una crítica... :P
gracias a "este linus" vos tenés la posibilidad de tener tu propio SO sin necesidad de programarlo, que loco, no?
-- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode
2006/9/22, Marcos Guglielmetti:
El Viernes, 22 de Septiembre de 2006 15:05, Herman Maseberg escribió:
y bueno, por qué este linus habla de odio y cosas por el estilo en una GPL v3 que busca frenar esa dictadura? debemos pensar que es muy boludo?
Me parece que habría que bajar un cambio con las críticas,
fue una puteada, no una crítica... :P
gracias a "este linus" vos tenés la posibilidad de tener tu propio SO sin necesidad de programarlo, que loco, no?
-- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode
Hola Comunidad. ¿De dónde sacaron esa noticia? Lo digo porque sabemos en gran parte de Iberoamérica (por confesión de Pablo Baena durante enero de este año) que su post en slashdot acerca de Torvalds vs Stallman era FALSO como moneda de tres centavos: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/26/1418220 Este es el enlace a la confesión en la lista vieja ayuda de Musix de la parte responsable (como dicen los abogados "A confesión de parte, relevo de pruebas"): http://lists.ourproject.org/pipermail/musix-help/2006-January/001359.html En cuanto a que hubo un debate acerca la GPL 3 y su posible adopción para el kernel eso es cierto y está archivada aquí: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/20/226 -- Alejandro Rene "El Corrector Empedernido" Fernandez Blanco Fecha Definitiva para el Segundo Festival Latinoamericano de Instalación de SOftware Libre (FLISOL 2006): 25/3/2006 Apodos (por el look =) ): "El Stallman Platense" (autor Paolo "Mojo" Stancato), Jesucristo, El "Che" Guevara, ........ Bin ........... (arabe mundialmente famoso desde el 11-S-2001) Charles Manson Buscando a Adrian "el Chueco" Suar para hacer las 5 películas: Localizado en Polka Producciones. Miembro de PLUG (Argentina). www.plug.org.ar Petitorio contra el Programa de Malversacion miPC http://www.petitiononline.com/noamipc1/ Coordinador General del I FLISOL La Plata http://www.installfest.net/Argentina
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