Return-Path: Delivered-To: jucar@hipatia.net Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by namrata.hipatia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B14B200AC2 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from namrata.hipatia.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (namrata.hipatia.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBuV4M6pGlnx for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx5.webfaction.com (mx5.webfaction.com [74.53.247.148]) by namrata.hipatia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3432200ABD for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail5.webfaction.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB82B32EA18F; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:31:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Original-To: softwarelibre@mailman-mail5.webfaction.com Delivered-To: softwarelibre@mx5.webfaction.com Received: from mx10.webfaction.com (unknown [174.121.221.166]) by mx5.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A5132EA185 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:31:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx10.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2687DC98BD6 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:31:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx10.webfaction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail10.webfaction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jjXlzFZe5MEy for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:31:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.ututo.org (unknown [66.240.231.28]) by mx10.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB00C98BB3 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:31:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ututo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB692BB800C; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:07:16 -0300 (ART) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ututo.org Received: from mail.ututo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (66.240.231.28 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TLrNwyN3rBfY; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:06:34 -0300 (ART) Received: from [10.10.11.19] (unknown [83.230.169.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.ututo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FEDA2BB8003; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:58 -0300 (ART) Message-ID: <4C7C0651.1000906@ututo.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:28:17 +0200 From: Daniel Olivera Organization: Proyecto UTUTO User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-ES; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100625 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/2.0.0.16/UTUTOXS MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mariangela Petrizzo References: <201008291517.18099.jucar@hipatia.info> <4C7B4F7F.1020107@ututo.org> <4C7BD7DD.7010001@ututo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 OpenPGP: id=A509B533; url=http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD303F17B106E2D15 Cc: Software Libre Venezuela Subject: Re: [Softwarelibre] Oooootra vez la burra al trigo, es que no aprenden. Preguntas sin respuesta X-BeenThere: softwarelibre@solve.net.ve X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: daniel@ututo.org, Software Libre Venezuela List-Id: Software Libre Venezuela List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0742538696==" Sender: softwarelibre-bounces@solve.net.ve Errors-To: softwarelibre-bounces@solve.net.ve This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0742538696== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5E1B4AA0BD9AF136DBD67D1E" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5E1B4AA0BD9AF136DBD67D1E Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040805070203050400000704" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040805070203050400000704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mariangela Petrizzo escribi=C3=B3: > /Daniel, por favor, lee los documentos que se firmaron en Buenos Aires.= / > / Los lei y me dan asco que la organizacion de la cual soy socio fundador (Solar) sea hoy una organizacion corompida por las ideas que la esclavizaran o sera instrumento de dominacion, bajo la denominacion de software publico. Los he leido y los rechazo, como rechazo la idea de software publico. El software libre como esta definido por la FSF es de bien publico. Ni hablemos que el bien publico en Argentina es pagante. O sea no existe software socialmente publico, sino que por las reglas de las organizaciones que controlan el mal llamado bien publico dictaminan que el "bien publico" es de propiedad del estado. No confio en el estado, cuando quiere ser un monopolio de las ideas y de los biene publicos. Que tanto miedo tenerle al SL que se necesita cambiarle el nombre. Lee las reglamentaciones de bien publico en Argentina y aprende un poco. Que un monton de personas firmen un documento no le da valor agregado a la sociedad si es en desmedro de esta. La cantidad tampoco, el actual en favor de otros tampoco. La gente con las licencias y el software libre tiene el control de su informatica y sus creaciones. Yo jamas llamare a mis desarrollos software publico, porque el software es libre, es de todos, es para y por todos. Asi eran las ideas en Solar en 2003, hoy se han perdido. Ahora se quiere cambiarles el nombre para maquillar malas ideas de buenas= =2E Pero eso no es mas que hipocresia. Viva el software libre!! > / > /Se llama software p=C3=BAblico porque se pretende tratar al software c= omo un > bien p=C3=BAblico. Bien deber=C3=ADas saber que los bienes p=C3=BAblico= s tienen una > condici=C3=B3n particular que los hace ser: 1) tangibles o intangibles = pero > no susceptibles de una propiedad privada; 2) indivisibles y 3) no > competitivos entre si./ > / Y las leyes 2 y 3 de la definicion de software libre para quien son? Parecen ignorantes tratando de dar forma a algo que no saben que es cuando hablan de software publico. Solo veo mediocridad y manipulacion, no veo otra cosas. Escrita, dicha pero lo que veo es manipulacion solamente para beneficio de algunos. El software libre ya es publico. Sino que serian las 4 leyes que lo definen? > / > /Se trata de darle una importancia mayor al Software libre que usa el > Estado. Es eso tan terrible??/ > / > / > /Mejor dicho, d=C3=B3nde est=C3=A1 lo terrible de eso?/ > / O sea para darle mayor importancia se le cambia el nombre? Que monton de ideologos geniales se les ocurrio eso? En la historia de las dominaciones, a los que pretendian la dominacion. Se acuerdan de MS y su "igualdad tecnologica" Software publico no es mas que otro juego de palabras para el mismo objetivo. > / > /Me parece que a veces esta discusi=C3=B3n es algo as=C3=AD como una po= sici=C3=B3n > carente de argumentos cuyo =C3=BAnico modo de subsistir es criticar las= > posiciones de los de m=C3=A1s ... sin raz=C3=B3n./ > / Si las posiciones que promueven el software publico son sin razon. > / > /Insisto, la propuesta del modelo iberoamericano de software p=C3=BAbli= co > dice EXPLICITAMENTE que se trata de software libre. Por qu=C3=A9 insist= es en > ocultar esa verdad sobre el tema?/ > / Y reitero porque cambiar el nombre? Por marketing? Por claridad? Que tan dificil puede ser usar el termino software libre si es software libre? happy hacking!! --=20 (This mail was sended using free Macbook with UTUTO XS) Daniel Olivera (mate.cosido, aun fuera de la ley) Director Proyecto UTUTO (Argentina) Miembro Free Software Foundation (6839)(Estados Unidos) "Soy y ser=C3=A9 comunista hasta el =C3=BAltimo dia de mi vida" "La vida no vale nada si no es para perecer porque otros puedan tener, lo que uno disfruta ya" Pablo Milanes. "Mientras alguien proponga muerte sobre esta tierra... yo pisare estos campos sobreviviendo..." "Ya no quiero ser solo un sobreviviente... quiero elegir el dia para mi muerte..." "No quiero ver un dia manifestando por la paz en el mundo a los animales... ellos manifestandose por la vida y nosotros apenas sobreviviendo... sobreviviendo" Victor Heredia "...la culpa ajena es barata, regalarla no nos cuesta..." "...al asesinato en masa, los hombres lo llaman guerra..." Netiquette? 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