From gerardobdiaz@arnet.com.ar Fri Nov  5 15:45:19 2004
From: gerardobdiaz@arnet.com.ar
To: solar-general@lists.ourproject.org
Subject: [Solar-general] la experiencia australiana
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:39:38 -0300
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La esperanza no est=C3=A1 perdida. Este australiano comenta que all=C3=A1, un=
a vez
que te comiste el umbral te bajan la velocidad a 64kbps fijos. Ser=C3=A1 eso
mejor que los u$s 6 por gb supong?

Es feedback del art=C3=ADculo de Cassia en the inquirer, supongo.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D19480

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Charge them by the Megabyte, show them who are men

Hi,=20

I\'ll tell ya what, \"charge by the megabyte/gigabyte\" is not a new concept.=
=20

It began with Telstra Cable, here in Australia. Back in 1998, it was like 500=
MB per month and 25 cent per megabyte! (I recall racking up one hell of a bil=
l just to download Debian Linux!)=20

(Interestingly enough, a more generous version was adopted by some US ISPs as=
 it was generating huge profits...But it didn\'t last long...)=20

However, today its largely unlimited usage but speed is shaped to 64k (8KB/s)=
 once you go over your monthly planned usage (about 10GB or 20GB depending on=
 which plan you go for). In addition, there\'s \"unmetered sites\" that allow=
 you to download distros and other goodies at no cost to you. (and at full sp=
eed...I get 10Mbit speeds!)=20

So what Argentina is just starting to experience, we Aussies have been buried=
 with it for quite a while. Not to worry, hopefully, ISPs wise up when they s=
tart loosing customers. They most probably will eventually give you unlimited=
 usage, but shaped speeds. (This \"forces\" folks to pay extra if they need m=
ore usage, otherwise deal with slow speeds).=20

I guess it depends if the Govt will step in, that\'s what happened in Austral=
ia. The Govt body known as the ACCC put their foot down about how unfair the =
Internet plans were, and how these practices like \"charge by the usage\" wil=
l hamper the adoption of broadband services for all Australians. (less people=
 are likely to sign up because they have to keep an eye on the bloody usage!)=
.=20

So, many of us Aussies know how you Argentinian broadband users feel.=20

Regards
Stmok


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From sbassi@gmail.com Fri Nov  5 15:56:55 2004
From: Sebastian Bassi <sbassi@gmail.com>
To: solar-general@lists.ourproject.org
Subject: Re: [Solar-general] la experiencia australiana
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:56:34 -0300
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:39:38 -0300 (ART), gerardobdiaz@arnet.com.ar
<gerardobdiaz@arnet.com.ar> wrote:
> La esperanza no está perdida. Este australiano comenta que allá, una vez
> que te comiste el umbral te bajan la velocidad a 64kbps fijos. Será eso
> mejor que los u$s 6 por gb supong?

Muchisimo mejor. Me parece que esa solución beneficia a todos.

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From dsa@unsa.edu.ar Fri Nov  5 16:27:43 2004
From: Diego Saravia <dsa@unsa.edu.ar>
To: solar-general@lists.ourproject.org
Subject: Re: [Solar-general] la experiencia australiana
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:27:27 -0300
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:39:38 -0300 (ART), gerardobdiaz wrote
> La esperanza no está perdida. Este australiano comenta que allá, una 
> vez que te comiste el umbral te bajan la velocidad a 64kbps fijos. 
> Será eso mejor que los u$s 6 por gb supong?

es mucho mejor, eso seria aceptable

> 
> Es feedback del artículo de Cassia en the inquirer, supongo.
> 
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19480
> 
> --begin quote--
> 
> Charge them by the Megabyte, show them who are men
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I\'ll tell ya what, \"charge by the megabyte/gigabyte\" is not a new 
> concept.
> 
> It began with Telstra Cable, here in Australia. Back in 1998, it was 
> like 500MB per month and 25 cent per megabyte! (I recall racking up 
> one hell of a bill just to download Debian Linux!)
> 
> (Interestingly enough, a more generous version was adopted by some 
> US ISPs as it was generating huge profits...But it didn\'t last 
> long...)
> 
> However, today its largely unlimited usage but speed is shaped to 
> 64k (8KB/s) once you go over your monthly planned usage (about 10GB 
> or 20GB depending on which plan you go for). In addition, there\'s 
> \"unmetered sites\" that allow you to download distros and other 
> goodies at no cost to you. (and at full speed...I get 10Mbit speeds!)
> 
> So what Argentina is just starting to experience, we Aussies have 
> been buried with it for quite a while. Not to worry, hopefully, ISPs 
> wise up when they start loosing customers. They most probably will 
> eventually give you unlimited usage, but shaped speeds. (This 
> \"forces\" folks to pay extra if they need more usage, otherwise 
> deal with slow speeds).
> 
> I guess it depends if the Govt will step in, that\'s what happened 
> in Australia. The Govt body known as the ACCC put their foot down 
> about how unfair the Internet plans were, and how these practices 
> like \"charge by the usage\" will hamper the adoption of broadband 
> services for all Australians. (less people are likely to sign up 
> because they have to keep an eye on the bloody usage!).
> 
> So, many of us Aussies know how you Argentinian broadband users feel.
> 
> Regards
> Stmok
> 
> __________________________________
> Registrate desde 
> http://servicios.arnet.com.ar/registracion/registracion.asp?origenid=9 y
participá de todos los beneficios del Portal Arnet.


-- 
Diego Saravia 
dsa@unsa.edu.ar



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From gerardobdiaz@arnet.com.ar Fri Nov  5 19:09:24 2004
From: Gerardo =?utf-8?q?D=C3=ADaz?= <gerardobdiaz@arnet.com.ar>
To: solar-general@lists.ourproject.org
Subject: Re: [Solar-general] la experiencia australiana
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:06:11 -0300
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Diego Saravia wrote:

|> La esperanza no está perdida. Este australiano comenta que
|> allá, una vez que te comiste el umbral te bajan la
|> velocidad a 64kbps fijos.
|> Será eso mejor que los u$s 6 por gb supong?
|
| es mucho mejor, eso seria aceptable
|

Ok.

Ahora, fijénse en este párrafo, dice que piensa que depende
de si el gobierno se mete en el tema, y que eso fué lo que
sucedió en Australia, que el `ACCC' estudió que tan injustos
eran los planes de acceso, y que tanto impedirían la adopción
de banda ancha por todos los australianos.

Lo interesante es que esta solución es que resulta medio
independiente del precio, y además que Australia tiene una
situación territorial bastante similar a la nuestra: gran
concentración de habitantes en pocas ciudades y un gran
territorio prácticamente inhabitado.

Esto la hace más difícil de objetar.

Tal vez sería bueno incorporar lo que pasó en Australia en
la petición a la secom o la cnc para que tomen cartas en el
asunto y actúen de oficio regulando la oferta oligofr^h^hpólica.

Claro que esto requeriría que el gigante tonto deje de mirarse
el ombligo :-(

|>
|> I guess it depends if the Govt will step in, that's what
|> happened in Australia. The Govt body known as the ACCC
|> put their foot down about how unfair the Internet plans
|> were, and how these practices like "charge by the
|> usage " will hamper the adoption of broadband services
|> for all Australians. (less people are likely to sign up
|> because they have to keep an eye on the bloody usage!).
|>
|> So, many of us Aussies know how you Argentinian broadband
|> users feel.


- --
Gerardo Díaz
- -----------------
Asociáte a SOLAR!
Software Libre Argentina
http://www.solar.org.ar/breve.php3?id_breve=78
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From sbassi@gmail.com Fri Nov  5 19:58:44 2004
From: Sebastian Bassi <sbassi@gmail.com>
To: solar-general@lists.ourproject.org
Subject: Re: [Solar-general] la experiencia australiana
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:58:34 -0300
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:06:11 -0300, Gerardo Díaz
<gerardobdiaz@arnet.com.ar> wrote:
> Lo interesante es que esta solución es que resulta medio
> independiente del precio, y además que Australia tiene una
> situación territorial bastante similar a la nuestra: gran
> concentración de habitantes en pocas ciudades y un gran
> territorio prácticamente inhabitado.

Otra cosa importante (y parecido a nosotros): Estan aislados
georgaficamente (en el culo del mundo diria) con respecto a los
grandes centros de consumo como USA/Can y Europa. Las comunicaciones
son VITALES. eso es un dato que el gobierno no puede ignorar.


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