Re: [P2P-es] Ecuador as a state form, the proposal for a Partner State...
Am 7/17/2014 2:30 PM, schrieb Quiliro Ordóñez Baca:> ...
I have removed CC of the Spanish mailing list. I will keep the CC to the English mailing list even though I am not allowed to subscribe to that list. I will give it a chance to be inclusive and avoid censorship.
Dear Quiliro, you are excluded from the P2P-F=list in english? Is that true and i have understand it correctly? It is unbelievably for me. And never i will accept this stupid action. James is the coordinator of this list. I hope, he can explain this on this list and for the receivers of this mail. Perhaps, it is a technical problem. But you, Quiliro, can explain it in more detail. I don't understand, what is going on in the sphere of P2P and free commons. We see so much stupidity in this environment. Not only in Ecuador.
My personal experience is that the state has protected me as well as attacked me. I think that the "comuna" could be as evil as the state but with less power if I am a minority. Even more, I have anonymity from the state (before surveillance of course) which I do not have in the "comuna".
I know it from Europe and in particular in Germany. The young people fly in the anonymity. But it is a big illusion. Never you will find anonymity and never you can live in anonymity. Also in our comunal environment we need the "unity in diversity". The freedom to act with our specific creativity based on our general unity. I know, that some local communities can be very closed, very reduced in her cultural and philosophical space. But this is more a reaction as a result from continuous external paternalism. It is never a typical relation in small local communities. My experince with local communities in Latin America is very different to that of Germany and the german language space. And now we see also in the german language space, that the most power for an open discussion to our future comes from the small communities environment and never from the state institutions or the regional organisations. many greetings, willi Bogota, Colombia
Hi All, It's rather late here in EU time. I have not banned anyone from the list. Maybe you tried to get on the list and could not get added. I'll take a look tomorrow. Thanks for letting me know. Which email address does this refer to? James On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:59 AM, willi uebelherr <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 7/17/2014 2:30 PM, schrieb Quiliro Ordóñez Baca:> ...
I have removed CC of the Spanish mailing list. I will keep the CC to the English mailing list even though I am not allowed to subscribe to that list. I will give it a chance to be inclusive and avoid censorship.
Dear Quiliro,
you are excluded from the P2P-F=list in english? Is that true and i have understand it correctly? It is unbelievably for me. And never i will accept this stupid action.
James is the coordinator of this list. I hope, he can explain this on this list and for the receivers of this mail. Perhaps, it is a technical problem. But you, Quiliro, can explain it in more detail.
I don't understand, what is going on in the sphere of P2P and free commons. We see so much stupidity in this environment. Not only in Ecuador.
My personal experience is that the state has protected me as well as
attacked me. I think that the "comuna" could be as evil as the state but with less power if I am a minority. Even more, I have anonymity from the state (before surveillance of course) which I do not have in the "comuna".
I know it from Europe and in particular in Germany. The young people fly in the anonymity. But it is a big illusion. Never you will find anonymity and never you can live in anonymity.
Also in our comunal environment we need the "unity in diversity". The freedom to act with our specific creativity based on our general unity. I know, that some local communities can be very closed, very reduced in her cultural and philosophical space. But this is more a reaction as a result from continuous external paternalism. It is never a typical relation in small local communities.
My experince with local communities in Latin America is very different to that of Germany and the german language space. And now we see also in the german language space, that the most power for an open discussion to our future comes from the small communities environment and never from the state institutions or the regional organisations.
many greetings, willi Bogota, Colombia
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El 17/07/14 19:38, james burke escribió:
Hi All,
It's rather late here in EU time. I have not banned anyone from the list. Maybe you tried to get on the list and could not get added. I'll take a look tomorrow.
Thanks for letting me know.
Which email address does this refer to?
Thank you James. I have notice that some people have tried to subscribe. The email I am using now is the one I tried to subscribe. I have tried to subscribe twice a week ago. So there is no hurry. -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez 600 8579
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