A few years ago, one could already get the feeling of a will to further concentrate power in the hands of a centralized set of European Institutions , bypassing any ( even indirect ) democratic processes , for example by enabling some institutions such as the European Commission to finance itself directly ( without the need to depend on the member countries ) via a tax on financial transactions. Today it feels even more obvious that such will is manifesting itself , using the Greek situation to justify the creation of such centralization of power. Furthermore, interesting to realize that our last comments seem to be spot on. Excerpted from Varoufakis : http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/21/europes-vindictive-privatization-plan-f... *" ATHENS – On July 12, the summit of eurozone leaders dictated its terms of surrender to Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, who, terrified by the alternatives, accepted all of them. One of those terms concerned the disposition of Greece’s remaining public assets.* *Eurozone leaders demanded that Greek public assets be transferred to a Treuhand-like fund – a fire-sale vehicle similar to the one used after the fall of the Berlin Wall to privatize quickly, at great financial loss, and with devastating effects on employment all of the vanishing East German state’s public property. "* On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < [email protected]> wrote:

yes. first make the greeks pay for risks taken by german and french ( and other western ) banks by lending them money, not to circulate in the greek economy, but directly to pay off the banks

( 1 note that the cypriot approahc taken by the EU was also interesting : Siphoning bank accounts, especially those of russians having accounts there, to pay for such kind of debt )

( 2 with at some point 17,5 percent compound interest on grek debt, equivalent to a doubling of the debt every three and a half / 3,5 years )

then use this money , after it has been almost paid off, and after that a grexit crisis has been created, and that the new curency is devaluated, and the greek economy further in chambles,

to then buy and privatise for pennies the rest of the greek economy, enabling a transfer of property,

and further reducing any sovereignty

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Fabio Barone <[email protected]> wrote:

...

And that's what it seems to be to me: a shopping tour!

The creditors just got scared when suddenly the game which the IMF always plays - give money and ask for reforms which includes privatizing practically everything - looked as if it wouldn't work this time, as the Greek sovereign decided they wouldn't play this time.

But with these later developments seems like it will all play out for them anyway.

2015-07-11 5:28 GMT-05:00 Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]>:

...

Yes. I suggest looking into the dynamics after the fall of the wall, and how western germany, and its corporations, pushed viable eastern german companies to bankruptcy, and bought over what they could for a fraction of their worth.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:

...

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> Date: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [tapas] Varoufakis @ Guardian To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

2 things are revealing in this testament,

one, the realistic assessment that it was never about repayment, but about disciplining

but second , and this is worse, Varoufakis mentions iraq, of all places, as an example of a return to monetary sovereignty .. and not argentina, iceland or the dozen positive historical examples mentioned by ellen brown in her book, nor the current statistics showing european countries outside the eurozone do generally better than those within it ..

for me what this reveals is a left version of TINA, and explains why Tsipras wants to give in so badly to the Troika blackmail, they do not see a alternative themselves and that is a terrible realisation ...

The proposed accord is an absolutely terrible program for permanent enfeeblement of Greece, and as George P. suggested, for the planned destruction of the SME economy ..

It brings home the possibility described in Kees van der Pijl's new book: The end of political compromise under capitalism ..

Michel

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:01 AM, John <[email protected]> wrote:

...

indeed...

On 15-07-10 1:37 PM, George Papanikolaou wrote:

...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt...

-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org

P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net

<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org

P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net

<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

_______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list

Blog - http://www.blog.p2pfoundation.net Wiki - http://www.p2pfoundation.net

Show some love and help us maintain and update our knowledge commons by making a donation. Thank you for your support. https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/donation

https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

_______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list

Blog - http://www.blog.p2pfoundation.net Wiki - http://www.p2pfoundation.net

Show some love and help us maintain and update our knowledge commons by making a donation. Thank you for your support. https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/donation

https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation