Well I was expecting you and Peter would make this warning. And this argument is about the methodology of analysis, or as Madron put it, and Fabians would totally agree 'operational complexity management'. I think at the current point of time complexity managers has more advanced tools and infrastructures to manage the complexity that opposition forces added on the complexity created by the intra-elite struggle. On the one hand there emerges an alliance of 'delayists' (around next system project, new economy alliance, de-growth so on) and on the radical left 'acclerationists' are forming a constellation (around Negri and so on). Some from left like Michael Aalbert, and parecon, David Harvey and rabel cities, negrists or cognitive captalists 'platform cooperatvism', Eric Olin Wright and real Utopias.. are counted in the next system alliance. On the driving seat, as John Restakis prompted sometimes ago, there are networks which are funded by OAK foundation of UK Royal-state, Rockefellar, Ford, Soros foundation so on. These formed a founder alliance called Edge Funders, whom Michel thinks are radicals. They fund all sort of spaces, from WSF, to Left Forum, from the events Michel and Pat mentioned, to Ripess -Synergia people (social solidarity economy discourse), from TNI to all sort of movement building hubs. Yes There are contradictions every where, there is a chaos too, but also there are some orders and regularities that are telling us something, and most worrisome is no one is talking about with the fear of not getting any funding and suffer economically. That state of 'being determines the consciousness'. The more no one is willing to talk about these openly the more things go worse. That is all I wanted to say.. Orsan

On 3 aug. 2016, at 22:03, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> wrote:

I snipped the previous contents, they were overloading my email viewer. And deleted the WSF from the distro list so they stop complaining at me.

Dear Orsan, I agree that alliances with aspects of the powers-that-be pose dangers. And co-optation happens. Fortunately, they don't want to ally with me anyway, otherwise I would need to thread some of those needles.

I would, however, repost what I understood from Peter's message. If we are dialectical materialists, we gotta do a dialectical analysis of all these forces and their contradictions and also and maybe especially their internal contradictions.

And even after the revolution or transformation or whatever, there will still be contradictions. That's life.