the above are, I dare say, significant if not 'revolutionary' developments ... Kevin, any chance you could report on this? I'm in a 'retreat' with just one our pe day of net time ... Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
the above are, I dare say, significant if not 'revolutionary' developments ... Kevin, any chance you could report on this? I'm in a 'retreat' with just one our pe day of net time ...
Did you mean to include a link? -- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
http://occupymarines.org/ http://www.occupypolice.org/ On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Kevin Carson < [email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
the above are, I dare say, significant if not 'revolutionary' developments ... Kevin, any chance you could report on this? I'm in a 'retreat' with just one our pe day of net time ...
Did you mean to include a link?
-- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
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also : http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/marine-navy-army-and-airforce-vets-an... Marine, Navy, Army and Airforce Veterans and Police Vow to Protect Innocent Protesters In response to the police brutality against peaceful American protesters – here<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/police-fire-tear-gas-flashbang-grenades-at-occupy-oakland-protesters.html> , here<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/police-punch-woman-protester-in-the-face.html> , here<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/more-nypd-police-brutality-against-peaceful-protesters.html> , here<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/msnbc-covers-police-brutality-of-peaceful-wall-street-protesters.html> , here<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/police-mace-use-force-on-and-arrest-peaceful-wall-street-protesters.html> and here<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/nypd-and-seattle-police-beat-up-protesters.html> – military and police groups are forming to protect American citizens. In fact, many in the military support the protests<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/wwii-vet-to-wall-street-protesters-i-am-so-proud-of-all-you-people.html> (and see this<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/veterans-support-wall-street-protests.html> ). As of today, OccupyMarines, Occupy Police<http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/veterans-and-police-officers-support-occupy-wall-street-protesters.html> , Occupy Navy <http://www.facebook.com/OccupyNavy>, Occupy Airforce<http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyAirForce/104097423035474?ref=pb>, and Occupy Army<http://www.facebook.com/pages/OccupyARMY/163972943696817?sk=info> have formed to protect the people against police brutality. After Veterans for Peace member Scott Olsen – a Marine Corps veteran twice deployed to Iraq <http://www.veteransforpeace.org/news_detail.php?idx=123> – was critically wounded in the Occupy Oakland protest, Occupy Marines tweeted<https://twitter.com/#%21/OccupyMARINES/status/129266196498481152> : WHEN YOU SHOOT ONE MARINE, YOU SHOOT AT ALL OF US. OORAH. Do It Peacefully Occupy We Stand In Solidarity On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < [email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Kevin Carson < [email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
the above are, I dare say, significant if not 'revolutionary' developments ... Kevin, any chance you could report on this? I'm in a 'retreat' with just one our pe day of net time ...
Did you mean to include a link?
-- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
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On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> wrote:
also : http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/marine-navy-army-and-airforce-vets-an...
Marine, Navy, Army and Airforce Veterans and Police Vow to Protect Innocent Protesters
In response to the police brutality against peaceful American protesters – here, here, here, here, hereand here – military and police groups are forming to protect American citizens.
Thanks! Occupy could use its own version of the Winter Palace guards defecting. Back during the CIO strikes of the '30s, WWI vets on the picket lines would holler propaganda at green young National Guardsmen until a lot of them refused to obey orders. -- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
There’s a group called Oath Keepers that vow to protect civilians from police power. Some may regard it as an extreme right wing group preparing to protect US from Leftist tyranny. It will be interesting to see if they will become involved. Small contingents have been present at our local Occupy group. I’m idealistic enough to see them as they have defined themselves-not as they’ve been portrayed. Time, and how police power is used, will provide clues-if not an answer on the OK’s From: Dante-Gabryell Monson Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 3:59 AM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Cc: Michel Bauwens ; Sepp Hasslberger Subject: Re: [P2P-F] occupymarines and occupypolice .. also : http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/marine-navy-army-and-airforce-vets-an... Marine, Navy, Army and Airforce Veterans and Police Vow to Protect Innocent Protesters In response to the police brutality against peaceful American protesters – here, here, here, here, hereand here – military and police groups are forming to protect American citizens. In fact, many in the military support the protests (and see this). As of today, OccupyMarines, Occupy Police, Occupy Navy, Occupy Airforce, and Occupy Army have formed to protect the people against police brutality. After Veterans for Peace member Scott Olsen – a Marine Corps veteran twice deployed to Iraq – was critically wounded in the Occupy Oakland protest, Occupy Marines tweeted: WHEN YOU SHOOT ONE MARINE, YOU SHOOT AT ALL OF US. OORAH. Do It Peacefully Occupy We Stand In Solidarity On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> wrote: http://occupymarines.org/ http://www.occupypolice.org/ On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Kevin Carson <[email protected]> wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: > the above are, I dare say, significant if not 'revolutionary' developments > ... Kevin, any chance you could report on this? I'm in a 'retreat' with just > one our pe day of net time ... Did you mean to include a link? -- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Natalie Golovin <[email protected]> wrote:
There’s a group called Oath Keepers that vow to protect civilians from police power. Some may regard it as an extreme right wing group preparing to protect US from Leftist tyranny. It will be interesting to see if they will become involved. Small contingents have been present at our local Occupy group. I’m idealistic enough to see them as they have defined themselves-not as they’ve been portrayed. Time, and how police power is used, will provide clues-if not an answer on the OK’s
They've been presented in very scary terms by the usual managerial-liberal suspects: Morris Dees, Mark Potok, Sarah Robinson, etc. Some SPLC mook on the Olbermann show some time back (obviously) was warning of the sheer extremism of LA officers promising not to enforce martial law declarations: oooh -- cops refusing to follow orders! The horror! These were the same people who were warning a few years earlier about the totalitarian potential for USA PATRIOT and who would have -- I'd bet my left nut on it -- praised any cops or soldiers who promised to resort to civil disobedience under a Bush martial law regime. There are some principled people like Paul, Wellstone, Kucinich, etc., who take the same position regardless of which party's in power. But not many. -- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
yes Kevin, with some commentary, Michel On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Kevin Carson < [email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
the above are, I dare say, significant if not 'revolutionary' developments ... Kevin, any chance you could report on this? I'm in a 'retreat' with just one our pe day of net time ...
Did you mean to include a link?
-- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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