political & social revolution / transition to a commons-based society / intergenerational learning
Michel, The new movements' new thinking is emerging as we speak. The post-camps phase of DRY seems creating structures of engagement that, if successful, can transcend (and include) protest and outrage, moving towards growing new institutions of counter-power. However, the *social* revolution (beyond the political), as you know, which includes a radical transformation of the capitalist mode and relations of production and distribution, the root system of the social ills that the current movement is attacking, will take much longer. In resonance with the Kondratieff cycle mentioned in a recent analysis of the revolutionary crisis, on the p2p site, I anticipate a decades-long transition to a post-capitalist, commons-based society. Some of your writings and Adam Arvidsson's new book will be instrumental to illuminate the challenges and opportunities of the transition, in which the struggle includes pushing for more and more commons-friendly markets and states. All that shouldn't lure us into thinking as we knew what is really happening, right now. Learning is more important than knowing. The courage and creativity of the movements hugely inspire me to pay close attention and do what I can to support them. That's what inspired also my idea for the workshop that we'll have at SOAS university, here in London, http://t.co/FwCPloF . Since the 60s I hardly had any hope that this moment can come in my lifetime. What do you all think about the best ways, in which owe generation can support the movement? in solidarity, george
Dear George, I've got enough reports coming in that say that these movements are actually very broad, and not confined to the new generations; I see two things happening, i.e. that young people are giving hope to those older ones that had lost hope; on the other hand, some of us can possibly play a role of 'boundary spanners' some kind of link with earlier cycles ... So many of our generation have become either cynical, joined those that do harm, or lost hope; those of us that haven't, have a special responsability I think, I think we have to distinguish different temporalities, that of the steady construction of alternatives, which is accelerating; and the non-linear temporarility of social movements, with its unpredictable up and downs. As you know, in my writings, I think a new upswing of kondratieff is still a possibility, though it may be very well derailed by the other longer time cycles and the biospheric and social crises which are accumulating .. we are entering a zone of chaos, in which many of us will be forced to turn to p2p practices not out of idealism, but out of sheer necessity of survival the current capture of the state by financial predators, the bankruptcy of what remains of the industrial left, has severely diminished the capacity of the system to respond to feedback and accomodate structural reform .. this slows down positive adaptation, but increases the amount of alternative life practices and the risks of more radical explosions ... as the chinese curse says, 'may you live in interesting times' (cfr recent wave of unrest in southern china) Michel On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:45 PM, George Por < [email protected]> wrote:
Michel,
The new movements' new thinking is emerging as we speak. The post-camps phase of DRY seems creating structures of engagement that, if successful, can transcend (and include) protest and outrage, moving towards growing new institutions of counter-power.
However, the *social* revolution (beyond the political), as you know, which includes a radical transformation of the capitalist mode and relations of production and distribution, the root system of the social ills that the current movement is attacking, will take much longer.
In resonance with the Kondratieff cycle mentioned in a recent analysis of the revolutionary crisis, on the p2p site, I anticipate a decades-long transition to a post-capitalist, commons-based society. Some of your writings and Adam Arvidsson's new book will be instrumental to illuminate the challenges and opportunities of the transition, in which the struggle includes pushing for more and more commons-friendly markets and states.
All that shouldn't lure us into thinking as we knew what is really happening, right now. Learning is more important than knowing. The courage and creativity of the movements hugely inspire me to pay close attention and do what I can to support them. That's what inspired also my idea for the workshop that we'll have at SOAS university, here in London, http://t.co/FwCPloF .
Since the 60s I hardly had any hope that this moment can come in my lifetime. What do you all think about the best ways, in which owe generation can support the movement?
in solidarity,
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Hi George, Would you mind resending the SOAS link? It does not seem to work.. Thanks! On 14 June 2011 12:25, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear George,
I've got enough reports coming in that say that these movements are actually very broad, and not confined to the new generations; I see two things happening, i.e. that young people are giving hope to those older ones that had lost hope; on the other hand, some of us can possibly play a role of 'boundary spanners' some kind of link with earlier cycles ... So many of our generation have become either cynical, joined those that do harm, or lost hope; those of us that haven't, have a special responsability I think,
I think we have to distinguish different temporalities, that of the steady construction of alternatives, which is accelerating; and the non-linear temporarility of social movements, with its unpredictable up and downs.
As you know, in my writings, I think a new upswing of kondratieff is still a possibility, though it may be very well derailed by the other longer time cycles and the biospheric and social crises which are accumulating ..
we are entering a zone of chaos, in which many of us will be forced to turn to p2p practices not out of idealism, but out of sheer necessity of survival
the current capture of the state by financial predators, the bankruptcy of what remains of the industrial left, has severely diminished the capacity of the system to respond to feedback and accomodate structural reform .. this slows down positive adaptation, but increases the amount of alternative life practices and the risks of more radical explosions ...
as the chinese curse says, 'may you live in interesting times' (cfr recent wave of unrest in southern china)
Michel
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:45 PM, George Por < [email protected]> wrote:
Michel,
The new movements' new thinking is emerging as we speak. The post-camps phase of DRY seems creating structures of engagement that, if successful, can transcend (and include) protest and outrage, moving towards growing new institutions of counter-power.
However, the *social* revolution (beyond the political), as you know, which includes a radical transformation of the capitalist mode and relations of production and distribution, the root system of the social ills that the current movement is attacking, will take much longer.
In resonance with the Kondratieff cycle mentioned in a recent analysis of the revolutionary crisis, on the p2p site, I anticipate a decades-long transition to a post-capitalist, commons-based society. Some of your writings and Adam Arvidsson's new book will be instrumental to illuminate the challenges and opportunities of the transition, in which the struggle includes pushing for more and more commons-friendly markets and states.
All that shouldn't lure us into thinking as we knew what is really happening, right now. Learning is more important than knowing. The courage and creativity of the movements hugely inspire me to pay close attention and do what I can to support them. That's what inspired also my idea for the workshop that we'll have at SOAS university, here in London, http://t.co/FwCPloF .
Since the 60s I hardly had any hope that this moment can come in my lifetime. What do you all think about the best ways, in which owe generation can support the movement?
in solidarity,
george _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
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Amaia Arcos -
George Por -
Michel Bauwens