Re: [P2P-F] monbiot on prosperity without growth - Guardian article
hi amaia, I hope you don't mind I share your interesting missives with our list, I understand your frustation, but you need bridge people who precisely because they are later in understanding, are more in touch with the broader movements of opinion, and can connect more effectively and translate the pioneers' understandings ... Being too early is always a problem in terms of influencing current events ... I remember Vinay Gupta being happy that he seemed only a few months of the curve, after having been ahead a few years before .. He left london 2 months before the outbreak of the riots ... sensing something was rotten in the kingdom, Michel On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
I've assumed you would come across this article as people are bound to rave about it, but just in case you are busy with other stuff http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/22/economic-growth-environm...
Monbiot seems to get more and more popular lately.
Either I, together with millions out there, are visionaries or we live in a paralel reality or the world is crazier than I thought. I don't understand why we have to rave about what "experts" say when what they say comes years after so many see stuff. I get frustrated with this world sometimes, I do. It actually pisses me off.
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As long as it does not make me come across as an arrogant idiot.. I do write freely (ie without paying that much attention to my language) to you cause I know we get each other and you know me a bit.. I know, I guess I just get frustrated with myself more than anything, sometimes I wish I could get a lobotomy, life would be a lot easier.. On 23 August 2011 11:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi amaia,
I hope you don't mind I share your interesting missives with our list,
I understand your frustation, but you need bridge people who precisely because they are later in understanding, are more in touch with the broader movements of opinion, and can connect more effectively and translate the pioneers' understandings ...
Being too early is always a problem in terms of influencing current events ...
I remember Vinay Gupta being happy that he seemed only a few months of the curve, after having been ahead a few years before ..
He left london 2 months before the outbreak of the riots ... sensing something was rotten in the kingdom,
Michel
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
I've assumed you would come across this article as people are bound to rave about it, but just in case you are busy with other stuff http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/22/economic-growth-environm...
Monbiot seems to get more and more popular lately.
Either I, together with millions out there, are visionaries or we live in a paralel reality or the world is crazier than I thought. I don't understand why we have to rave about what "experts" say when what they say comes years after so many see stuff. I get frustrated with this world sometimes, I do. It actually pisses me off.
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
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-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
dear amaia, our list filters them out <g>, so if you are on it, it already means you can't possibly be one <g> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
As long as it does not make me come across as an arrogant idiot.. I do write freely (ie without paying that much attention to my language) to you cause I know we get each other and you know me a bit..
I know, I guess I just get frustrated with myself more than anything, sometimes I wish I could get a lobotomy, life would be a lot easier..
On 23 August 2011 11:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi amaia,
I hope you don't mind I share your interesting missives with our list,
I understand your frustation, but you need bridge people who precisely because they are later in understanding, are more in touch with the broader movements of opinion, and can connect more effectively and translate the pioneers' understandings ...
Being too early is always a problem in terms of influencing current events ...
I remember Vinay Gupta being happy that he seemed only a few months of the curve, after having been ahead a few years before ..
He left london 2 months before the outbreak of the riots ... sensing something was rotten in the kingdom,
Michel
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
I've assumed you would come across this article as people are bound to rave about it, but just in case you are busy with other stuff http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/22/economic-growth-environm...
Monbiot seems to get more and more popular lately.
Either I, together with millions out there, are visionaries or we live in a paralel reality or the world is crazier than I thought. I don't understand why we have to rave about what "experts" say when what they say comes years after so many see stuff. I get frustrated with this world sometimes, I do. It actually pisses me off.
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
@Vinay, you are right, I've always felt really sorry for visionaries and enlightened people. @Michel :) On 23 August 2011 11:49, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
dear amaia, our list filters them out <g>, so if you are on it, it already means you can't possibly be one <g>
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
As long as it does not make me come across as an arrogant idiot.. I do write freely (ie without paying that much attention to my language) to you cause I know we get each other and you know me a bit..
I know, I guess I just get frustrated with myself more than anything, sometimes I wish I could get a lobotomy, life would be a lot easier..
On 23 August 2011 11:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
hi amaia,
I hope you don't mind I share your interesting missives with our list,
I understand your frustation, but you need bridge people who precisely because they are later in understanding, are more in touch with the broader movements of opinion, and can connect more effectively and translate the pioneers' understandings ...
Being too early is always a problem in terms of influencing current events ...
I remember Vinay Gupta being happy that he seemed only a few months of the curve, after having been ahead a few years before ..
He left london 2 months before the outbreak of the riots ... sensing something was rotten in the kingdom,
Michel
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]
wrote:
I've assumed you would come across this article as people are bound to rave about it, but just in case you are busy with other stuff http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/22/economic-growth-environm...
Monbiot seems to get more and more popular lately.
Either I, together with millions out there, are visionaries or we live in a paralel reality or the world is crazier than I thought. I don't understand why we have to rave about what "experts" say when what they say comes years after so many see stuff. I get frustrated with this world sometimes, I do. It actually pisses me off.
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
there is a tragedy to it all, despite being immensely rewarding as well ... On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
@Vinay, you are right, I've always felt really sorry for visionaries and enlightened people.
@Michel :)
On 23 August 2011 11:49, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
dear amaia, our list filters them out <g>, so if you are on it, it already means you can't possibly be one <g>
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
As long as it does not make me come across as an arrogant idiot.. I do write freely (ie without paying that much attention to my language) to you cause I know we get each other and you know me a bit..
I know, I guess I just get frustrated with myself more than anything, sometimes I wish I could get a lobotomy, life would be a lot easier..
On 23 August 2011 11:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
hi amaia,
I hope you don't mind I share your interesting missives with our list,
I understand your frustation, but you need bridge people who precisely because they are later in understanding, are more in touch with the broader movements of opinion, and can connect more effectively and translate the pioneers' understandings ...
Being too early is always a problem in terms of influencing current events ...
I remember Vinay Gupta being happy that he seemed only a few months of the curve, after having been ahead a few years before ..
He left london 2 months before the outbreak of the riots ... sensing something was rotten in the kingdom,
Michel
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Amaia Arcos < [email protected]> wrote:
I've assumed you would come across this article as people are bound to rave about it, but just in case you are busy with other stuff http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/22/economic-growth-environm...
Monbiot seems to get more and more popular lately.
Either I, together with millions out there, are visionaries or we live in a paralel reality or the world is crazier than I thought. I don't understand why we have to rave about what "experts" say when what they say comes years after so many see stuff. I get frustrated with this world sometimes, I do. It actually pisses me off.
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
Amen. On 23 August 2011 12:07, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
there is a tragedy to it all, despite being immensely rewarding as well ...
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]>wrote:
@Vinay, you are right, I've always felt really sorry for visionaries and enlightened people.
@Michel :)
On 23 August 2011 11:49, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
dear amaia, our list filters them out <g>, so if you are on it, it already means you can't possibly be one <g>
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]
wrote:
As long as it does not make me come across as an arrogant idiot.. I do write freely (ie without paying that much attention to my language) to you cause I know we get each other and you know me a bit..
I know, I guess I just get frustrated with myself more than anything, sometimes I wish I could get a lobotomy, life would be a lot easier..
On 23 August 2011 11:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
hi amaia,
I hope you don't mind I share your interesting missives with our list,
I understand your frustation, but you need bridge people who precisely because they are later in understanding, are more in touch with the broader movements of opinion, and can connect more effectively and translate the pioneers' understandings ...
Being too early is always a problem in terms of influencing current events ...
I remember Vinay Gupta being happy that he seemed only a few months of the curve, after having been ahead a few years before ..
He left london 2 months before the outbreak of the riots ... sensing something was rotten in the kingdom,
Michel
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Amaia Arcos < [email protected]> wrote:
I've assumed you would come across this article as people are bound to rave about it, but just in case you are busy with other stuff http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/22/economic-growth-environm...
Monbiot seems to get more and more popular lately.
Either I, together with millions out there, are visionaries or we live in a paralel reality or the world is crazier than I thought. I don't understand why we have to rave about what "experts" say when what they say comes years after so many see stuff. I get frustrated with this world sometimes, I do. It actually pisses me off.
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
-- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin
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