it will get worse before it gets better <g> we have to start constructing sustainable alternatives right now, with the resources at our disposal, it is unlikely that times will get 'better' in the near term ... p2p is both a passionate choice and a necessity for survival, Michel On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < [email protected]> wrote:

we have access to the technology.

the proprietary software exists, for use by multinationals, for example - SAP : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_AG ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_ERP

( I am not a specialist in SAP )

We have access to the internet ( for how long till it gets further "filtered" ? )

We have the technology to build a more distributed internet, and we have the skills to build a libre software for resource allocation and alternative forms of emergent governance and finance...

So... I agree.

We can do it. We are doing it.

But not with much/enough resources,

hence one of my priorities being to support approaches that make it easier to converge resources and enable such forms of distributed organization.

I personally do this while struggling for my own survival. And I am aware a number of people sharing such intentions, including some more technically skilled then me ( such as certain programmers ) struggle for surviving while pursuing development of libre approaches.

Hopefully not for too long...

2011/7/9 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>

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I disagree, we really have all we need to work together globally ...

if multinationals can do it, why not we?

we now have access to superior technology than most multinationals had 15 years ago,

Michel

2011/7/9 Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]>

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yes, my interpretation is that it depends on our capacity to set up information systems to (self) organize.

a suggestion :

http://sharewiki.org/en/Transaction_Graphs

if there is no opportunity / tool for more complex information systems for alternative meta-data / vectors to be used as "stigmergic" tool, it may be easier to use face to face , possibly lower complexity, economies... as suggested by Jean Zin ?

2011/7/9 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>

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I actually disagree with Jean Zin when he says that there is 'only localization' and not other forms of 'alterglobalization' that are in our interests ...

as christian arnsperger says, 'selective localization, responsible deglobalization' (or the other way around?) ...

there must be room not just for global immaterial commons, but also for global economic phyles ..

Michel

2011/7/8 Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]>

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http://www.jeanzin.fr/index.php?post%2F2010%2F09%2F10%2FLe-travail-dans-la-s... ( Jean Zin )

voir aussi : http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/contents/ ( Kevin Carson )

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Jean Zin :

"On ne s'en tirera pas en se tournant les pouces. Il y a tout un travail à faire pour sortir du capitalisme et qui consiste principalement à organiser le travail en dehors du capitalisme et donc du salariat, donner les moyens de passer du travail forcé au travail choisi, *libération du travail* *comparable à l'abolition de l'esclavage et que certains appellent un peu rapidement la fin du travail alors que ce n'est que la fin (relative) du salariat et du marché du travail.*" * * *...* * * *"Il n'y a que des alternatives locales à la globalisation marchande<http://jeanzin.fr/ecorevo/grit/altern.htm>, c'est notre réalité, notre environnement, c'est le territoire qu'il nous faut réhabiter et qui nous ramène sur terre, y compris dans les rapports avec nos concitoyens."* * * *"équilibrer la globalisation marchande par une relocalisation de l'économie et des alternatives locales dans une économie plurielle<http://jeanzin.fr/index.php?post/2009/09/07/Un-seul-monde-plusieurs-systemes>, au lieu de rêver à une conversion planétaire de l'humanité toute entière à une nouvelle religion écologiste ou quelque autre conception totalitaire qui voudrait arrêter l'histoire, contrôler nos désirs et uniformiser le monde." *

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