Nicholas, are there any negatives in actually formalizing traditional knowledge in such a way? (I'm thinking of a regular creative commons critique uttered in the South) 2011/2/8 Nicolás Mendoza <[email protected]>

I was following the nomination process of several Colombian intangibles to the UNESCO's *Intangible Cultural Heritage* list, I think that actually the most interesting one (which seemingly was not vouched this time) is the figure of the 'Palabrero' from the Wayuu culture (Guajira province, caribbean coast in north Colombia). Here's the link:

http://www.unesco.org/archives/multimedia/?s=films_details&id_page=33&id_fil...

2011/2/8 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>

http://www.gaiafoundation.org/content/highlights-2010-and-path-ahead

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I wonder if you had any comment on this? Is this a good thing?

Michel

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Hi Carolina, if you have any extra energy, it would be nice to have an editorial from you on this! hope all is well in Bogota, Michel 2011/2/14 carolina botero <[email protected]>

Hi Michel, I have my opinion (bad) on the juridical concept behind "cultural heritage" because I do not think it manages to fully cover the idea behind it in communities such as the indigenous communities. However, it is today the only feasible way to seek "protection", visibility and acknowledgement from the society, so more and more we will see this kind of lists increasing. Hopefully this will work to at least stop the indiscriminate explotaition that some do of their cultural production. Thanks for pointing this out Carolina

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http://www.gaiafoundation.org/content/highlights-2010-and-path-ahead

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I wonder if you had any comment on this? Is this a good thing?

Michel

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in that case I would publish it on Ning, but similarly promote it ... we do have quite a few Spanish-speaking readers! 2011/2/14 carolina botero <[email protected]>

Will you consider it viable if I do it in spanish?? carolina

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Hi Carolina,

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if you have any extra energy, it would be nice to have an editorial from you on this!

hope all is well in Bogota,

Michel

2011/2/14 carolina botero <[email protected]>

Hi Michel,

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I have my opinion (bad) on the juridical concept behind "cultural heritage" because I do not think it manages to fully cover the idea behind it in communities such as the indigenous communities. However, it is today the only feasible way to seek "protection", visibility and acknowledgement from the society, so more and more we will see this kind of lists increasing. Hopefully this will work to at least stop the indiscriminate explotaition that some do of their cultural production. Thanks for pointing this out Carolina

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http://www.gaiafoundation.org/content/highlights-2010-and-path-ahead

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I wonder if you had any comment on this? Is this a good thing?

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2011/2/15 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:

sam, there is also an issue of population growth,

slash and burn was okay in a non-industrial society with few people, but with a population explosion, and in the context of additional problems from industrial pollution, it increasingly becomes problematic,

Michel

Agree, although this is not so much about slash and burn as the traditional indigenous culture approach which I understand was a soil restoration method that was practiced in moderation. Plus it was practiced in conjunction with either cultivation or a period of system renewal where further burning was not practiced. This is discussed extensively in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1491:_New_Revelations_of_the_Americas_Before_Co... there were deep relationships between how indigenous people terra-formed their environments, and the ecologies that emerged in North and South America. There is evidence of a change in ecologies even from the first visits of Europeans to the subsequent visits 100 years later, when it is speculated massive amounts of Native Americans died off by being exposed to European diseases. Still, there could be issues with more people doing it, I can see that point. Yet, there is also a problem with the fact that there is currently very little total worldwide human soil restoration of any kind vs the rate of soil depletion as I understand it. We are backing ourselves into some corners as a species.

2011/2/14 Samuel Rose <[email protected]>

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2011/2/8 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:

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http://www.gaiafoundation.org/content/highlights-2010-and-path-ahead

Dear Carolina,

I wonder if you had any comment on this? Is this a good thing?

Michel

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An aside: I thought it was interesting that Gaia Foundation lists http://www.gaiafoundation.org/content/biochar as a "False Solution".

Christoph Steiner has some serious research work into biochar and terra preta/terra mulata http://biochar.bioenergylists.org/?q=taxonomy/term/118 and the archaeology of biochar in Amazonia.

Janice Thies's work is also worth reading on this subject http://css.cals.cornell.edu/cals/css/people/faculty.cfm?netId=jet25

Turns out that biochar at least *was* part of the cultural heritage of indigenous peoples of Amazonia (and North America). It was even part of the very ecology itself (natural ecologies evolved and adapted to human fire activities on both continents. We can still see this today in species like the Jack Pine native to my home here in Michigan http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_22664-60337--,00.html which adapted to a landscape where indigenous peoples regularly started fires).

The contrasting argument is that the ecology of biomass in those times likely was able to easily afford regular burning, where now massive deforestation has reduced the global capacity. Still, I think the ecologies of Amazonia totally change without indigenous people and fire transforming the landscapes. It is part of the real heritage of the place from what I understand.

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