Re: [P2P-F] an evaluation of the flok (willi uebelherr)
dear willi, you accused me of being a cia agent, an austrian economist and other false and other undocumented things, which xabier took pains to reprint recently; even though you now refrain from it. I see many such routine false accusations, such as lately with allianza solidaria so, I apologize, but I don't want to engage with you; I don't see your culture as much different as that of the flok mgt, i.e. part of the problem , not part of the solution if others want to engage with you, and you refrain from unwarranted accusations here, that is fine; but I am not playing, just so you know, so don't expect me too (your emails are filtered, I don't see most of them) Michel -- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Dear Michel, independent wheather you read my mails or not, i will answer. Yes, i say, you act as a prophet of narkets and therefore as a "austrian economist". This i read in your PPL-proposal. No, never i say, you are a CIA agent. This always is very unfamiliar for me. For our perspektives and visions we need an open discussion with a free argumentations. If you are angry with ny criticism of your market orientation, i can accept. But never i accept, that you put away any fundamental and critical discussion of your texts. many greetings to all, willi now Bogota, Bolonbia Am 7/11/2014 12:10 AM, schrieb Michel Bauwens:
dear willi,
you accused me of being a cia agent, an austrian economist and other false and other undocumented things, which xabier took pains to reprint recently; even though you now refrain from it. I see many such routine false accusations, such as lately with allianza solidaria
so, I apologize, but I don't want to engage with you; I don't see your culture as much different as that of the flok mgt, i.e. part of the problem , not part of the solution
if others want to engage with you, and you refrain from unwarranted accusations here, that is fine; but I am not playing, just so you know, so don't expect me too (your emails are filtered, I don't see most of them)
Michel
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Greetings to the bat detector van, Bogota, Bolonbia: "Austrian economics" goes back only to Menger and Bohm-Bawerk in the late 19th century. I'm pretty sure there have been advocates of "narkets" before then -- among them socialists like Thomas Hodgskin and Benjamin Tucker. And no less a socialist than Marx explained that "markets" as such (i.e. simple commodity production) do not equate to "capitalism." On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:55 PM, willi uebelherr <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Michel,
independent wheather you read my mails or not, i will answer.
Yes, i say, you act as a prophet of narkets and therefore as a "austrian economist". This i read in your PPL-proposal.
No, never i say, you are a CIA agent. This always is very unfamiliar for me.
For our perspektives and visions we need an open discussion with a free argumentations. If you are angry with ny criticism of your market orientation, i can accept. But never i accept, that you put away any fundamental and critical discussion of your texts.
many greetings to all, willi now Bogota, Bolonbia
Am 7/11/2014 12:10 AM, schrieb Michel Bauwens:
dear willi,
you accused me of being a cia agent, an austrian economist and other false and other undocumented things, which xabier took pains to reprint recently; even though you now refrain from it. I see many such routine false accusations, such as lately with allianza solidaria
so, I apologize, but I don't want to engage with you; I don't see your culture as much different as that of the flok mgt, i.e. part of the problem , not part of the solution
if others want to engage with you, and you refrain from unwarranted accusations here, that is fine; but I am not playing, just so you know, so don't expect me too (your emails are filtered, I don't see most of them)
Michel
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Dear Kevin, in the first, if i read your answer, i was a little confused. But after reading my mail again, i saw it. In the hostel the computer environment is very bad. I need more action to verify the texts, before i send. Markets can be very different things. And following of that our meaning about market can be very different. In the austrian economic theorie there is a very important point. The value of any thing is created on the market. I know, Michel don't have this extreme position. A place for exchange some products, based on the self-value (eigenvalue) in time can also have the name "market". But this is a very different thing as the orientation to a market in our developement of local economy with local production. many greetings, willi Bogota, Colombia Am 7/11/2014 6:28 PM, schrieb Kevin Carson:
Greetings to the bat detector van, Bogota, Bolonbia: "Austrian economics" goes back only to Menger and Bohm-Bawerk in the late 19th century. I'm pretty sure there have been advocates of "narkets" before then -- among them socialists like Thomas Hodgskin and Benjamin Tucker. And no less a socialist than Marx explained that "markets" as such (i.e. simple commodity production) do not equate to "capitalism."
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