my whole inbox is gone, i.e. all my current and to-do communications, Michel On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]>wrote:

Michel,

I found a note about deleted messages. Could they be hiding somewhere?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/9Dq957ChpeE[1-25-true]

-Brent

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:

...

My main gmail account was accessed from a belgian mobile just one hour ago and my whole account has been wiped out , i.e. from 300 backlogged emails to thousands of archived one, everything is gone.

Does anyone know someone at Google that can help ?

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Call google in belgium. Look for one of their offices there. You should find a number which you can call to find the number you should be calling. J On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:

Michel, did you look in the trash?

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:

my whole inbox is gone, i.e. all my current and to-do communications,

Michel

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Brent Shambaugh < [email protected]> wrote:

Michel,

I found a note about deleted messages. Could they be hiding somewhere?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/9Dq957ChpeE[1-25-true]

-Brent

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:

My main gmail account was accessed from a belgian mobile just one hour ago and my whole account has been wiped out , i.e. from 300 backlogged emails to thousands of archived one, everything is gone.

Does anyone know someone at Google that can help ?

Like <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#> · · Share<https://www.facebook.com/ajax/sharer/?s=37&appid=2309869772&p%5B0%5D=694166860627496&share_source_type=unknown> · a few seconds ago<https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/694166860627496/?stream_ref=2>

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Let me make simple tips for future prevention. A) if someone is able to take over your dns account He also controls the email account. This is because you use P2pfoundation.net as a suffix. B) have a secure computer C) never use another's computer D) do not use the same password on different platforms. Does p2pfoundation use https explicitly on logon? E) have the passwords stored hashed and salted on the p2pf servers. I would first check A) 9 Φεβ 2014, 19:09, ο/η Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> έγραψε:

thanks james

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, james burke <[email protected]> wrote: Call google in belgium. Look for one of their offices there. You should find a number which you can call to find the number you should be calling.

J

On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: Michel, did you look in the trash?

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: my whole inbox is gone, i.e. all my current and to-do communications,

Michel

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: Michel,

I found a note about deleted messages. Could they be hiding somewhere?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/9Dq957ChpeE[1-25-true]

-Brent

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: My main gmail account was accessed from a belgian mobile just one hour ago and my whole account has been wiped out , i.e. from 300 backlogged emails to thousands of archived one, everything is gone.

Does anyone know someone at Google that can help ?

Like · · Share · a few seconds ago

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I will give you a hand with some of this when I get to Quito Michel. On 10 February 2014 13:30, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:

thanks for the advice, but i will need asssistance to introduce some of them,

Michel

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Let me make simple tips for future prevention.

A) if someone is able to take over your dns account He also controls the email account. This is because you use P2pfoundation.net as a suffix.

B) have a secure computer

C) never use another's computer

D) do not use the same password on different platforms. Does p2pfoundation use https explicitly on logon?

E) have the passwords stored hashed and salted on the p2pf servers.

I would first check A)

9 Φεβ 2014, 19:09, ο/η Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> έγραψε:

thanks james

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, james burke <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Call google in belgium. Look for one of their offices there. You should find a number which you can call to find the number you should be calling.

J

On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Michel, did you look in the trash?

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:

my whole inbox is gone, i.e. all my current and to-do communications,

Michel

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Brent Shambaugh < [email protected]> wrote:

Michel,

I found a note about deleted messages. Could they be hiding somewhere?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/9Dq957ChpeE[1-25-true]

-Brent

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:

My main gmail account was accessed from a belgian mobile just one hour ago and my whole account has been wiped out , i.e. from 300 backlogged emails to thousands of archived one, everything is gone.

Does anyone know someone at Google that can help ?

Like <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#> · · Share<https://www.facebook.com/ajax/sharer/?s=37&appid=2309869772&p%5B0%5D=694166860627496&share_source_type=unknown> · a few seconds ago<https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/694166860627496/?stream_ref=2>

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Since p2pfoundation.net doesn't use encryption (https) consider all passwords there viewable by anyone. This isn't something that users would do. It requires the admins to implement it. I have a limited time myself. 10 Φεβ 2014, 15:32, ο/η Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> έγραψε:

that's great ... because time to learn is an issue, i have now 1000 emails to process

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]> wrote: I will give you a hand with some of this when I get to Quito Michel.

On 10 February 2014 13:30, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: thanks for the advice, but i will need asssistance to introduce some of them,

Michel

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <[email protected]> wrote: Let me make simple tips for future prevention.

A) if someone is able to take over your dns account He also controls the email account. This is because you use P2pfoundation.net as a suffix.

B) have a secure computer

C) never use another's computer

D) do not use the same password on different platforms. Does p2pfoundation use https explicitly on logon?

E) have the passwords stored hashed and salted on the p2pf servers.

I would first check A)

9 Φεβ 2014, 19:09, ο/η Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> έγραψε:

...

thanks james

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, james burke <[email protected]> wrote: Call google in belgium. Look for one of their offices there. You should find a number which you can call to find the number you should be calling.

J

On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: Michel, did you look in the trash?

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: my whole inbox is gone, i.e. all my current and to-do communications,

Michel

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: Michel,

I found a note about deleted messages. Could they be hiding somewhere?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/9Dq957ChpeE[1-25-true]

-Brent

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: My main gmail account was accessed from a belgian mobile just one hour ago and my whole account has been wiped out , i.e. from 300 backlogged emails to thousands of archived one, everything is gone.

Does anyone know someone at Google that can help ?

Like · · Share · a few seconds ago

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kevin will be coming soon to quito to teach me a few tricks, Michel On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]>wrote:

Well that's a good place to start. I agree we should be using https.

We are currently working on developing the site so we will look into this.

On 10 February 2014 17:05, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <[email protected]>wrote:

...

Since p2pfoundation.net doesn't use encryption (https) consider all passwords there viewable by anyone.

This isn't something that users would do. It requires the admins to implement it.

I have a limited time myself.

10 Φεβ 2014, 15:32, ο/η Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> έγραψε:

that's great ... because time to learn is an issue, i have now 1000emails to process

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]>wrote:

...

I will give you a hand with some of this when I get to Quito Michel.

On 10 February 2014 13:30, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:

...

thanks for the advice, but i will need asssistance to introduce some of them,

Michel

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Let me make simple tips for future prevention.

A) if someone is able to take over your dns account He also controls the email account. This is because you use P2pfoundation.net as a suffix.

B) have a secure computer

C) never use another's computer

D) do not use the same password on different platforms. Does p2pfoundation use https explicitly on logon?

E) have the passwords stored hashed and salted on the p2pf servers.

I would first check A)

9 Φεβ 2014, 19:09, ο/η Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> έγραψε:

thanks james

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, james burke <[email protected]>wrote:

...

Call google in belgium. Look for one of their offices there. You should find a number which you can call to find the number you should be calling.

J

On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Brent Shambaugh < [email protected]> wrote:

> Michel, did you look in the trash? > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Michel Bauwens < > [email protected]> wrote: > > my whole inbox is gone, i.e. all my current and to-do communications, > > Michel > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Brent Shambaugh < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Michel, > > I found a note about deleted messages. Could they be hiding > somewhere? > > > https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/9Dq957ChpeE[1-25-true] > > -Brent > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Michel Bauwens < > [email protected]> wrote: > > My main gmail account was accessed from a belgian mobile just one > hour ago and my whole account has been wiped out , i.e. from 300 backlogged > emails to thousands of archived one, everything is gone. > > Does anyone know someone at Google that can help ? > > Like <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#> · · Share<https://www.facebook.com/ajax/sharer/?s=37&appid=2309869772&p%5B0%5D=694166860627496&share_source_type=unknown> > · a few seconds ago<https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/694166860627496/?stream_ref=2> > > - > - <https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens> > <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#> > <https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens> > >

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is this a session we could have in ireland ? On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]>wrote:

Hey Apostolis,

Would you be able to start a page on the wiki where we can document and share best practices for security? I think it would be great to have something that we can point members of the community to. I'm slowly but surely using gpg and otr on a more regular basis. Perhaps at some stage we could even organise an online skills sharing QA bringing those who are more au fait with these tools together with those who might need some help, tips or advice.

Best

Kevin

On 10 February 2014 13:06, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <[email protected]>wrote:

...

Let me make simple tips for future prevention.

A) if someone is able to take over your dns account He also controls the email account. This is because you use P2pfoundation.net as a suffix.

B) have a secure computer

C) never use another's computer

D) do not use the same password on different platforms. Does p2pfoundation use https explicitly on logon?

E) have the passwords stored hashed and salted on the p2pf servers.

I would first check A)

9 Φεβ 2014, 19:09, ο/η Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> έγραψε:

thanks james

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:08 PM, james burke <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Call google in belgium. Look for one of their offices there. You should find a number which you can call to find the number you should be calling.

J

On Sunday, February 9, 2014, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Michel, did you look in the trash?

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:

my whole inbox is gone, i.e. all my current and to-do communications,

Michel

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Brent Shambaugh < [email protected]> wrote:

Michel,

I found a note about deleted messages. Could they be hiding somewhere?

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/9Dq957ChpeE[1-25-true]

-Brent

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:

My main gmail account was accessed from a belgian mobile just one hour ago and my whole account has been wiped out , i.e. from 300 backlogged emails to thousands of archived one, everything is gone.

Does anyone know someone at Google that can help ?

Like <https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#> · · Share<https://www.facebook.com/ajax/sharer/?s=37&appid=2309869772&p%5B0%5D=694166860627496&share_source_type=unknown> · a few seconds ago<https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/694166860627496/?stream_ref=2>

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