Re: [P2P-F] [P2P-URBANISM WA] pattern language of transition, interview with christopher alexander
Dear Michael, if you ever write something on your project, let me know, Michel On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Michael Mehaffy <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear All,
By coincidence I was visiting Chris a few weeks ago and the subject of this interview came up. I read the proof and we discussed it. There is one issue that I think is really important: the notion that a pattern language has to be project-specific. I have been thinking about this and it is one of the keys for the success of PLs in the software world. A software coder does not construct an ideal PL for an ideal problem for all time - that would be a waste of time. Instead they construct a PL for a given project, using other patterns from the repsitory, and adapting them.
Based on this insight I have begun to work on a "Project Pattern Language" methodology (or PPL for short) that will greatly simplify this process. A version of which I do use in my own work, but this kind of work needs to be greatly expanded, along with the number of patterns and their availability, if we are going to have the success of the software world.
And also, to come back to the point in the interview, to get at the key thing that PLs are meant to do: to provide generative capability for a whole transformation, instead of a mechanical assemblage. It was this insight that got the software programmers very excited in the first place - addressing the bugbear of their business, serial mechanism - and I think this is the exciting dimension ahead.
And of course it's open-source by nature, and has a very strong core P2P component.
The other parallel from the software world is that for the actual implementation process, no one sat around waiting for Chris to come up with it. they ran with it themselves, checking back with Chris for new ideas. I think that model also has to be part of the new methodology, which is also P2P in that sense. So I will welcome feedback and collaboration on this approach, and hope to have a draft "white paper" to share with you soon...
Cheers, m
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
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Dear Michel and Stefano, I certainly will! Let me check with my colleague here who is paying for my time and should be given the discretion to specify how this goes out initially. (Though it is certainly in the spirit of P2P...) Cheers, m On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Michael,
if you ever write something on your project, let me know,
Michel
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Michael Mehaffy < [email protected]> wrote:
Dear All,
By coincidence I was visiting Chris a few weeks ago and the subject of this interview came up. I read the proof and we discussed it. There is one issue that I think is really important: the notion that a pattern language has to be project-specific. I have been thinking about this and it is one of the keys for the success of PLs in the software world. A software coder does not construct an ideal PL for an ideal problem for all time - that would be a waste of time. Instead they construct a PL for a given project, using other patterns from the repsitory, and adapting them.
Based on this insight I have begun to work on a "Project Pattern Language" methodology (or PPL for short) that will greatly simplify this process. A version of which I do use in my own work, but this kind of work needs to be greatly expanded, along with the number of patterns and their availability, if we are going to have the success of the software world.
And also, to come back to the point in the interview, to get at the key thing that PLs are meant to do: to provide generative capability for a whole transformation, instead of a mechanical assemblage. It was this insight that got the software programmers very excited in the first place - addressing the bugbear of their business, serial mechanism - and I think this is the exciting dimension ahead.
And of course it's open-source by nature, and has a very strong core P2P component.
The other parallel from the software world is that for the actual implementation process, no one sat around waiting for Chris to come up with it. they ran with it themselves, checking back with Chris for new ideas. I think that model also has to be part of the new methodology, which is also P2P in that sense. So I will welcome feedback and collaboration on this approach, and hope to have a draft "white paper" to share with you soon...
Cheers, m
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
http://transitionculture.org/2010/12/23/exclusive-to-transition-culture-an-i...
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