Fwd: Robert Steele: Trip Report – Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 – Second American Revolution is Real
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Steele <[email protected]> Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:27 AM Subject: Robert Steele: Trip Report – Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 – Second American Revolution is Real To: [email protected] Robert Steele: Trip Report – Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 – Second American Revolution is Real<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/10/robert-steele-trip-report-occupy-wall-street-6-october/>Ron Paul keeps surprising. Integrity does appear to be coming back into style. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
On Thursday, October 13, 2011 04:08:25 am Michel Bauwens wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Steele <[email protected]> Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:27 AM Subject: Robert Steele: Trip Report – Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 – Second American Revolution is Real To: [email protected]
Robert Steele: Trip Report – Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 – Second American Revolution is Real<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/10/robert-steele-trip-report-occupy-wa ll-street-6-october/>Ron Paul keeps surprising. Integrity does appear to be coming back into style.
It's funny/sad how few seem to be able to put the pieces together. Mr. Steele writes: "Capitalism is a process that can be moral or immoral–Steve Jobs was capitalism at its best, while Alan Greenspan remains capitalism at its worst, corrupt to the core." Umm.... no. The economic elites like Steve Jobs are just as detrimental to human freedom as the financial elites. When one person becomes conditioned to accept the controls that another wants to impose a harm has been done and society has failed. Eric Raymond on the Jobster: "What’s really troubling is that Jobs made the walled garden seem cool. He created a huge following that is not merely resigned to having their choices limited, but willing to praise the prison bars because they have pretty window treatments." The same can be said of capitalism itself, though both Robert and Eric would deny it. -Karl
I agree with the fundamental assessment, at the same time rhetorical agression against capitalism is often counterproductive and drives away the very people you want on your side, i.e. the many who believe in a 'good capitalism'. it is a bit ironic that many leading capitalists are now lamenting that 'marx was right' and 'please tax us', while amongst the demonstrators there is a feeling of 'hush, don't critique capitalism' .. although it is a contradiction in terms, this is where people are, mostly, and the different measures that this entails would in any case be mostly beneficial to everyone, so we can put underlying beliefs under brackets and seek for common demands for change, until the time is ripe for a more fundamental phase transition (just 2-3 decades away at the most, since the system is in a deep structural crisis) that doesn't mean we have to hide our critiques, just that we can work with those who don't fully share it, Michel On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Karl Robillard <[email protected]>wrote:
On Thursday, October 13, 2011 04:08:25 am Michel Bauwens wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Steele <[email protected]> Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:27 AM Subject: Robert Steele: Trip Report – Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 – Second American Revolution is Real To: [email protected]
Robert Steele: Trip Report – Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 – Second American Revolution is Real< http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/10/robert-steele-trip-report-occupy-wa ll-street-6-october/>Ron Paul keeps surprising. Integrity does appear to be coming back into style.
It's funny/sad how few seem to be able to put the pieces together. Mr. Steele writes: "Capitalism is a process that can be moral or immoral–Steve Jobs was capitalism at its best, while Alan Greenspan remains capitalism at its worst, corrupt to the core."
Umm.... no. The economic elites like Steve Jobs are just as detrimental to human freedom as the financial elites. When one person becomes conditioned to accept the controls that another wants to impose a harm has been done and society has failed.
Eric Raymond on the Jobster: "What’s really troubling is that Jobs made the walled garden seem cool. He created a huge following that is not merely resigned to having their choices limited, but willing to praise the prison bars because they have pretty window treatments."
The same can be said of capitalism itself, though both Robert and Eric would deny it.
-Karl
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