---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> Date: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [GiftEconomy] 'Emerges'? How about 're-emerges'? To: [email protected] Since couchsurfing is mentioned, and also ( capitalist ) enclosure related to sharing, it may be of interest to have a look at http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/ "Couchsurfing could go commercial" http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2011/04/20/couchsurfing-com-could-go-commerc... http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/a-criticism-of-couchsurfing-a... <http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/a-criticism-of-couchsurfing-and-review-of-alternatives/#fraud>see the evolution of how "donation/verification" money is being spent within the not for profit to support the causes it supports, and the amount of money that may be set aside : http://www.couchsurfing.org/mission_and_vision.html?link=organization_financ... 2009 ( over a million dollars ) http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2009.html 2008 ( nearly eight hundred thousand dollars ) http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2008.html 2007 ( three hundred thousand dollars ) http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2007.html 2006 ( hundred thousand dollars ) http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2006.html 2004 ( two thousand dollars ) ; 2005 ( nearly thirty thousand dollars ) http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2004_2005.html ... On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Tereza wrote:

Sorry, I didn't read the article before I passed it on - I just read the beginning about craigslist and couch surfing. Charity Focus, who publishes The Daily Good, walks their talk, and everything they do is volunteer-based. But sometimes the articles they publish are a bit too corporate for my taste.

That said, I like the sites that enable people to rent their own houses. I'll never stay in a commercial property again for a vacation. I was happy to hear that someone was developing a way for cars to be shared without risk. I hope that P2P taxi services will be soon to follow, so I can pay someone in the neighborhood next time I need a ride to the airport. Lots of people are piecing together a living from a little bit of money here and there and I'd rather support that than incur a favor I don't have time to repay. Most people either have time or they have money, but it's rare to have both. So hooking the people with time up with the people with money is okay in my book. I'm not a purist.

I like what you're doing, Robin, with the helping on the street. I'm sure that's making an impact.

Tereza

On Apr 23, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Duane wrote:

But the capitalist drive will not be extinguished. They will to "optimize"

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the culture of sharing for their profit, whether by persuasion, threat, or force, and they will find ways. Their hypocrisy, that they will not <i>share</i> their optimizations, is the glint which betrays the machinations to inject extraction in the network of cooperation.

The "central authority" will be the architects of the means of sharing. The means of sharing cannot be totally autonomous and will be organized, to some extent. Whereas a rising tide would lift all boats, in an ebb tide, someone will have to pay for the tugboat.

The most revolutionary force in the world will not go down easy.

Duane

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:29 AM Subject: [GiftEconomy] 'Emerges'? How about 're-emerges'?

Thanks for this, Tereza.

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The Sharing Economy Emerges

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Peer to peer exchange of goods and services has skyrocketed way beyond craigslist.org and Couch Surfing. Now, access to goods and skills is becoming more important than ownership of them. And that has sparked a "Sharing Economy". Gartner Group researchers estimate that the peer-to-peer financial-lending market will reach $5 billion by 2013. Botsman says the consumer peer-to-peer rental market will become a $26 billion sector, and believes the sharing economy, in total, is a $110 billion-plus market. "Is this purely a warm-and-fuzzy kind of thing?" says Ann Miura-Ko, a venture capitalist at Floodgate Fund. "It's not. It's underutilized asset utilization." That is to say, sharing is becoming common place.

The rise of digitally mediated sharing is indeed promising, but only a capitalist could see this as a fundamentally new thing. I mean life is full of sharing. To say nothing of shared genes, shared understandings or shared streets, people in most parts of the world still share all sorts of stuff daily, just as they used to in the past in USA. Barnraising? Potlatch?

So whilst in one sense it's a welcome step away from what Eisenstein calls "the discrete and separate self", sharing does not cease to count just because it goes unaccounted in ledgers. Arguably, unmetered sharing is more important. I haven't investigated the 'Floodgate Fund', so I may be doing her an injustice, but Ann Miura-Ko's designation as 'venture capitalist' suggests to me that she's expecting to get out more money than she puts in.

Anyway, it's food for thought for my work on the Internet Gift Economy, which has been going slow lately - distracted by working on the roofgarden. The current model as regards metering is to leave it up to those involved whether they want to record things. Eitherway, a big difference is that there won't be any central authority in charge, so no point for revenue extraction. No business model.

Robin

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