12 things you need to know about protests in Wisconsin, USA + Unions and P2P alternatives
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit." Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana. Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)." http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______ Aso worth reading: http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance... ________________________________________________________________________ I think the time is here to start talking with people about http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI) One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate. Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives. If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
Hi Sam, thanks for this and for trying out real p2p work in the Midwest ... please use our blog and Ning for reporting about progress, and we'll do what we can to refract it abroad, Michel On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
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The Koch brothers are referenced in the article Sam linked to, but this piece from Forbes expands on the role they are playing behind the scenes in Walker's plan. It's unsettling to see how often the Koch's are turning up behind different right-wing ventures of late: http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/18/koch-brothers-behind-wisconsin-... RCA On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi Sam,
thanks for this and for trying out real p2p work in the Midwest ...
please use our blog and Ning for reporting about progress, and we'll do what we can to refract it abroad,
Michel
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]>wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
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On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Richard Adler <[email protected]> wrote:
The Koch brothers are referenced in the article Sam linked to, but this piece from Forbes expands on the role they are playing behind the scenes in Walker's plan. It's unsettling to see how often the Koch's are turning up behind different right-wing ventures of late:
http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/18/koch-brothers-behind-wisconsin-...
RCA
Thanks Rick. You are right, the Koch's are bleeding into everything related to this activity it seems. In several discussions this week, I had people who are proponents of "Tea Party" viewpoints offering arguments and perspectives that I traced back to http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity which, indeed, is connected with the Koch.
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sam,
thanks for this and for trying out real p2p work in the Midwest ...
please use our blog and Ning for reporting about progress, and we'll do what we can to refract it abroad,
Michel
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about
http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
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-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sam,
thanks for this and for trying out real p2p work in the Midwest ...
please use our blog and Ning for reporting about progress, and we'll do what we can to refract it abroad,
Michel
Yes, for sure. -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
Sam if I'm going to put any energy into political advocacy, it will be in this direction. Keep me in the loop. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
Sam - thank you for sending this out what seems so many days ago - I have been following this pretty keenly and am curious about the title of your email "+ Unions and P2P alternatives" open ears from anyone here. Best, Mark On 19Feb2011, at 5:19 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
Thanks Mark, This a long-term perspective/investment. Based on an ideas first articulated to me by Richard Schulte of Flywheel Tech Collective, who is copied on this email, the idea is to work with Unions to start building worker-owned cooperatives of various types, especially based around production and design of open source technologies/software. Mark, I copied you because I know that you've been in dialogue with Unions right here in Michigan for years. I wondered if you might know of some Union folks here in Michigan that might be candidates for this type of thing? On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Mark Dilley <[email protected]> wrote:
Sam - thank you for sending this out what seems so many days ago - I have been following this pretty keenly and am curious about the title of your email "+ Unions and P2P alternatives"
open ears from anyone here.
Best, Mark
On 19Feb2011, at 5:19 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
Dear Sam, copying two more union-p2p friends on this dialogue, Michel On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Mark,
This a long-term perspective/investment. Based on an ideas first articulated to me by Richard Schulte of Flywheel Tech Collective, who is copied on this email, the idea is to work with Unions to start building worker-owned cooperatives of various types, especially based around production and design of open source technologies/software. Mark, I copied you because I know that you've been in dialogue with Unions right here in Michigan for years. I wondered if you might know of some Union folks here in Michigan that might be candidates for this type of thing?
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Mark Dilley <[email protected]> wrote:
Sam - thank you for sending this out what seems so many days ago - I have been following this pretty keenly and am curious about the title of your email "+ Unions and P2P alternatives"
open ears from anyone here.
Best, Mark
On 19Feb2011, at 5:19 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn...
_______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about
http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy
here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
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I'm going to have something (hopefully profound) to say about parallel matters in Wisconsin in about an hour or two. I'm going to try to make my best pitch and see to what degree we can help move a rather big agenda along in the state of Wisconsin, and possibly other states. It involves something that the Democrats, Republicans, Unions, the Tea Party all claim they care about:investment. It also involves an really big opening for Chris Cook's concept of Open Capital. I'm hoping we can launch 72 hours of sustained effort at communicating what (for now) I'm calling 'Big Sticks, Big Deals and Olive Branches.' ok that's vague...but i like it. Regards Alan -----Original Message----- From: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Walton Pantland <[email protected]> Cc: Richard Adler <[email protected]>; Mark Dilley <[email protected]>; Paul B. Hartzog <[email protected]>; Matt Cooperrider <[email protected]>; Richard Schulte <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 12:28 am Subject: Re: [P2P-F] 12 things you need to know about protests in Wisconsin, USA + Unions and P2P alternatives Dear Sam, copying two more union-p2p friends on this dialogue, Michel On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Mark, This a long-term perspective/investment. Based on an ideas first articulated to me by Richard Schulte of Flywheel Tech Collective, who is copied on this email, the idea is to work with Unions to start building worker-owned cooperatives of various types, especially based around production and design of open source technologies/software. Mark, I copied you because I know that you've been in dialogue with Unions right here in Michigan for years. I wondered if you might know of some Union folks here in Michigan that might be candidates for this type of thing? On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Mark Dilley <[email protected]> wrote:
Sam - thank you for sending this out what seems so many days ago - I have been following this pretty keenly and am curious about the title of your email "+ Unions and P2P alternatives"
open ears from anyone here.
Best, Mark
On 19Feb2011, at 5:19 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
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I think the time is here to start talking with people about http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:09 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm going to have something (hopefully profound) to say about parallel matters in Wisconsin in about an hour or two. I'm going to try to make my best pitch and see to what degree we can help move a rather big agenda along in the state of Wisconsin, and possibly other states. It involves something that the Democrats, Republicans, Unions, the Tea Party all claim they care about:investment. It also involves an really big opening for Chris Cook's concept of Open Capital.
I'm hoping we can launch 72 hours of sustained effort at communicating what (for now) I'm calling 'Big Sticks, Big Deals and Olive Branches.' ok that's vague...but i like it.
Regards Alan
The effort in WI, MI, Ohio, and Indiana is working in Michigan, as the governor of Michigan is already publicly stating he'll negotiate with Unions. ( Although, Republicans were still able to quietly get through legislation that allows MI state government to take over schools and towns with very loose rules. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-23/michigan-house-approves-emergency-m... )
-----Original Message----- From: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Walton Pantland <[email protected]> Cc: Richard Adler <[email protected]>; Mark Dilley <[email protected]>; Paul B. Hartzog <[email protected]>; Matt Cooperrider <[email protected]>; Richard Schulte <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 12:28 am Subject: Re: [P2P-F] 12 things you need to know about protests in Wisconsin, USA + Unions and P2P alternatives
Dear Sam,
copying two more union-p2p friends on this dialogue,
Michel
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Mark,
This a long-term perspective/investment. Based on an ideas first articulated to me by Richard Schulte of Flywheel Tech Collective, who is copied on this email, the idea is to work with Unions to start building worker-owned cooperatives of various types, especially based around production and design of open source technologies/software. Mark, I copied you because I know that you've been in dialogue with Unions right here in Michigan for years. I wondered if you might know of some Union folks here in Michigan that might be candidates for this type of thing?
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Mark Dilley <[email protected]> wrote:
Sam - thank you for sending this out what seems so many days ago - I have been following this pretty keenly and am curious about the title of your email "+ Unions and P2P alternatives"
open ears from anyone here.
Best, Mark
On 19Feb2011, at 5:19 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
"What's happening in Wisconsin is not complicated. At the beginning of this year, the state was on course to end 2011 with a budget surplus of $120 million. As Ezra Klein explained, newly elected GOP Governor Scott Walker then " signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit."
Walker then used the deficit he'd created as the justification for assaulting his state's public employees. He used a law cooked up by a right-wing advocacy group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC likes to fly beneath the radar, but I described the organization in a 2005 article as "the connective tissue that links state legislators with right-wing think tanks, leading anti-tax activists and corporate money." Similar laws are on the table in Ohio and Indiana.
Walker's bill would strip public employees of the right to bargain collectively for anything but higher pay (and would cap the amount of wage hikes they might end up gaining in negotiations). His intentions are clear -- before assuming office, Walker threatened to decertify the state's employees' unions (until he discovered that the governor doesn't have that power)."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/479560/12_things_you_need_to_kn... _______
Aso worth reading:
http://prop-press.typepad.com/blog/2011/02/report-from-day-five-first-chance...
________________________________________________________________________
I think the time is here to start talking with people about
http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Principles_of_Peer-to-Peer_Advocacy here, in the Industrial Midwest (which includes WI)
One simple way to route around party politics is to give people a direct p2p way to actively reflect existing poltics as we saw in iceland with http://skuggathing.is/portal based on https://github.com/rbjarnason/open-active-democracy
Another parallel approach is to start applying collective decision making and pooling of resources directly to problems people are addressing. In addition, creating cooperatives, supporting alternative currencies when appropriate.
Unions in all of these states have resources, including pension funds, that they could invest directly in worker-owned cooperative companies, as has been discussed by Richard Schulte of flywheeltechcollective in the past. Some of them have expressed interest in doing this. These kinds of changes for entities like unions are long term changes and investments, and will take time. However, I think every year that goes by makes more and more on the left receptive to p2p alternatives.
If people are interested in working on P2P political advocacy and approaches in 2011-2012, let's talk here and continue to build towards thing people can really use in places like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Eastern Europe, South America, etc
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
-- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com
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