On the request of Silke, I'm not sending this to the commoning list, but as a not to be forwarded reply to Christian Siefkes, to this list. as you may now, communication between me and martin pedersen and massimo de angelis have not been peaceful lately, and things have not gotten better, by mistakenly copying Massimo on a private assessment that I send to our Greek friends, whom I asked to cooperate with Massimo, but at the same time warning them of what could happen, so that they would be on their guard you are free to judge me for this mistake, AND for my assessment, but it was, and is, what I think, based on my experience, and I can't change that, we all experience things as we experience them, through our own personal biases and filters and reactivity, so, here is my response to Christian Siefkes, who was shocked by my assessment, understandably so, this is just, 'for the record', and I expect Silke, of the commoning list, to mediate in this conflict, but I expect that healing the antagonism is going to require staying out of each other's way for a while, Michel Dear Christian SIlke asked me not to answer, but since you ask me, I guess I have to share already, but provisionally, just to yout; however, it is the one I would have send to the commoning list Yes, I did sent this private letter, and the googlemail demon made me click on massimo's name, talk of a freudian slip; of course, I am not at all proud of this; now I wish I would make a different assessment, but this is exactly how I think of it, based on my experience but, this was a private assessment, to one person, so that they would not get embroiled in the same process as I here, in other words, to avoid what is happening here; this is my duty to my friends: I invite them to this dialogue, but they must know that if they are attacked, not too take it personally; "it's just a matter of style of a particular group of people and you have to know what to expect" but please note, - that what I was doing was actually opening a communication line with greek activists, so the context I was aiming for was to help both massimo to continue his announced query, while wanting to avoid the communication issues that plagued this list; so the aim was exactly that they could communicate, without getting enervated as they would be aware of this style beforehand, and think of it not as a problem, but as something to be aware of, so as to avoid it; - it is one letter to one person, not a smear campaign to destroy a person or seeking harm; there is nothing systematic to it, one individual warning; in fact, throughout this time, I have been doing the opposite, i.e. promoting the work of massimo and martin, see next paragraph - throughout this exchange, and for the last weeks and months, I have continued, despite the animosity between us, to blog, wikify, facebook and twitter the views of both Martin and Massimo, making them reach audiences they may not have reached on their own, since they are likely to reach a different one; this is not the attitude of an enemy, nor an indication of a smear campaign; but rather of someone who takes their arguments seriously, and seeks to make them known to even more people; this can be easily verified in the p2p foundation resources or by checking search engines - I do not object to their views, even as I not share them, only to the caricuturing of views they do not agree with, such as apparently, mine; and again, I'm not the only one that has complained to be at the receiving end of such style of communication So, don't ask me to be sorry to share with my friends my assessment of my experience; and to give them a warning so that they can avoid experiencing the same; that this should be shared accidentally is an error of my part; I'll let you judge about the sharing of private mail yourself; but given the circumstances, I do not hold this at all against Massimo, I can fully understand how it must feel to get something like that: I would be similarly shocked however, I am also shocked of hearing I would bulldoze local communities to impose them fiberoptic cables, am opposed to the politics of indigenous people and what not; I sent my assessment of my true (in the sense of subjective) experience privately; I have to get these character assanisations over a public list. Frankly, I would prefer Martin and Massimo would say true bad things in private, rather than to have to hear such false things in a public forum. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens Commons Strategies Group, http://www.commonsstrategies.org/