"anonymous campaign against p2p-foundation"
*Anonymous Operations*@YourAnonCentral<https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral> A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens<https://twitter.com/mbauwens> @P2P_Foundation <https://twitter.com/P2P_Foundation> dear friends, if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation, is continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account; I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target. Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this, This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled, Michel Bauwens -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Just ignore and keep up the fantastic work. You never know where trolls come from or who sends them. 2013/11/10 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
*Anonymous Operations*@YourAnonCentral<https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral>
A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens<https://twitter.com/mbauwens> @P2P_Foundation <https://twitter.com/P2P_Foundation>
dear friends,
if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation, is continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account;
I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target.
Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this,
This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled,
Michel Bauwens
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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I am sure this is some sort of misunderstanding. I have had communication with Heather over a range of issues, and always found her appreciative and thoughtful. Please hold off judging if possible for a while. Anna Sent from my iPad
On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:52, Fabio Barone <[email protected]> wrote:
Just ignore and keep up the fantastic work. You never know where trolls come from or who sends them.
2013/11/10 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
Anonymous Operations @YourAnonCentral A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens @P2P_Foundation
dear friends,
if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation, is continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account;
I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target.
Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this,
This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled,
Michel Bauwens
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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I'm more interested in the agenda/motivations might be of whatever individuals actually control the Anon twitter feed. Somebody has a very strong personal motive to throw gasoline on the fire. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
I am sure this is some sort of misunderstanding. I have had communication with Heather over a range of issues, and always found her appreciative and thoughtful. Please hold off judging if possible for a while.
Anna
Sent from my iPad
On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:52, Fabio Barone <[email protected]> wrote:
Just ignore and keep up the fantastic work. You never know where trolls come from or who sends them.
2013/11/10 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
Anonymous Operations@YourAnonCentral
A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens @P2P_Foundation
dear friends,
if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation, is continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account;
I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target.
Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this,
This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled,
Michel Bauwens
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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Michel, The question occurred to me if this might be related to the other issue from several months ago of interception of communications? On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Kevin Carson < [email protected]> wrote:
I'm more interested in the agenda/motivations might be of whatever individuals actually control the Anon twitter feed. Somebody has a very strong personal motive to throw gasoline on the fire.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
I am sure this is some sort of misunderstanding. I have had communication with Heather over a range of issues, and always found her appreciative and thoughtful. Please hold off judging if possible for a while.
Anna
Sent from my iPad
On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:52, Fabio Barone <[email protected]> wrote:
Just ignore and keep up the fantastic work. You never know where trolls come from or who sends them.
2013/11/10 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
Anonymous Operations@YourAnonCentral
A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens @P2P_Foundation
dear friends,
if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation,
is
continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account;
I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target.
Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this,
This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled,
Michel Bauwens
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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-- Kevin Carson Senior Fellow, Karl Hess Scholar in Social Theory Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
"You have no authority that we are bound to respect" -- John Perry Barlow "We are legion. We never forgive. We never forget. Expect us" -- Anonymous
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Hmmmm. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
Michel,
The question occurred to me if this might be related to the other issue from several months ago of interception of communications?
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Kevin Carson <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm more interested in the agenda/motivations might be of whatever individuals actually control the Anon twitter feed. Somebody has a very strong personal motive to throw gasoline on the fire.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
I am sure this is some sort of misunderstanding. I have had communication with Heather over a range of issues, and always found her appreciative and thoughtful. Please hold off judging if possible for a while.
Anna
Sent from my iPad
On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:52, Fabio Barone <[email protected]> wrote:
Just ignore and keep up the fantastic work. You never know where trolls come from or who sends them.
2013/11/10 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
Anonymous Operations@YourAnonCentral
A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens @P2P_Foundation
dear friends,
if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation, is continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account;
I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target.
Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this,
This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled,
Michel Bauwens
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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-- Kevin Carson Senior Fellow, Karl Hess Scholar in Social Theory Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
"You have no authority that we are bound to respect" -- John Perry Barlow "We are legion. We never forgive. We never forget. Expect us" -- Anonymous
Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com
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Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
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-- Kevin Carson Senior Fellow, Karl Hess Scholar in Social Theory Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org "You have no authority that we are bound to respect" -- John Perry Barlow "We are legion. We never forgive. We never forget. Expect us" -- Anonymous Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com
Dear Michel, and Anna, I have been keeping this conflict in the back of my mind yet coulnd't find a time to respond quitely to both you Michel and Heather, not sure if she is on this list. I was also hoping that both two good hearted and sharpest brains of our time wouldn't let it explode like this! now with this one it seemd geeting out of control. How can such expactable conflict reach to this level difficult to understand, so that almost there will be an anon ddos attack will be launched against a very very wrong target, may be the wrongest of all! I see practically how Heather could use her knowledge, links and swarming skills to launch an offnesive towards P2p-f. But why? There must be both personal, political and theoretical lessons to draw for the p2p theory and practice from the contradictory nature of the things here and sure that they will be very thoughtful. As For the immediate solution I also will try to talk Heather yet what could be good from your side Michel to do to neutrilise the accusation of Heather, which I read as 'p2p exploitation' of her and others by mainly you -in a way Tiziana argue for free labour, which makes you a p2p capitalist of some sort- can be sharing the P2P F's financial situation or any kind of public links you have on the p2pf wiki that would clarify that there is nothing like Heather is implicity or directly claiming. I think that would not only help to calm her down but would be good to stop anons and clear the confusion on the minds of your followers who do not really know about that much of the internal universe of the institution, including myself. Altough we all know how much we can achieve with almost no costs, but putting tons of hours of our free labour, an although we all know that we contribute collectively to our peers' reputations while we are building our own, the p2p distribution of the gains we make or value we create, when we are still stucked in the capitalis mode, still remains as the million dollar question we have to find an answer. I hope a kind of positive insight we might get out of this explosive conflict could also help us at the end to transcend the given exploitive relationships of any kind! Just zenn relax and turn it into positive learning experience for all.. solidarity, Orsan
On 10 nov. 2013, at 20:12, [email protected] wrote:
I am sure this is some sort of misunderstanding. I have had communication with Heather over a range of issues, and always found her appreciative and thoughtful. Please hold off judging if possible for a while.
Anna
Sent from my iPad
On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:52, Fabio Barone <[email protected]> wrote:
Just ignore and keep up the fantastic work. You never know where trolls come from or who sends them.
2013/11/10 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
Anonymous Operations @YourAnonCentral A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens @P2P_Foundation
dear friends,
if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation, is continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account;
I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target.
Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this,
This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled,
Michel Bauwens
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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Folks let's not let ourselves be trolled by @YourAnonCentral I'm sure we all have more important things to do with our time. However for the record - My personal view is that Heather was unaware of the credited blog posts when @YourAnonCentral cast the first stone. 1:28 AM - 4 Nov 13 https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/397173563238543361 The blog post were posted on the 21st,25th and 28th of Oct and WERE credited. http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/society-vs-dissociation/2013/10/21 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/stigmergy/2013/10/25 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/an-economy-for-all/2013/10/28 In this case she would only have been aware of the uncredited Scribd documents for which I am responsible and for which I have apologised publicly. https://twitter.com/flgnk/status/398338855390035968 Considering Heather explicitly asked to be credited in her email exchange with Michel and I, Her anger would have been understandable. Her claim that there was no special relationship with the P2PFoundation should be read as a clarification of copyright issues - https://twitter.com/GeorgieBC/status/398242132864933888 https://twitter.com/GeorgieBC/status/398356042410512385 In this case we can agree the P2P Foundation does not have any special relationship or any exclusive right to publish Heathers work. The P2P Foundation never made any claim to having special right to the work. It would be easy to see how these messages could be read as a refutation of any relationship with the P2P. However Heather has not denied that there were communications with us and in fact she published those email exchanges herself. https://twitter.com/GeorgieBC/status/398358356118605824/photo/1 Unfortunately this all kicked off when I was in bed asleep 'European Time' It was 4:43 AM - 6 Nov 13 when Michel first reponded. https://twitter.com/mbauwens/status/397947220773056512 However at this stage tensions were already high for both parties. Please remember 10 minutes after the initial @YourAnonCental who have 43,337 followers the @YourAnonNews who have 1,181,379 followers posted this https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/397176291150942208 Michel was right fully upset and in my view he responded appropriately. Unfortunately as we all know now. The situation wasn't resolved amicably. It is very important that we do not get caught up in trolling and paranoia. Let us be clear on this, the issue as it stands is not about attribution. It is a personal issue between Heather and Michel. While some things remain unresolved. Heather has expressed a desire to move on. This is in my view an unfortunate case of miscommunication. We all have more important things to doing with our time and so let's move on. Regards Kevin Flanagan On 10 November 2013 20:24, Orsan Senalp <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Michel, and Anna, I have been keeping this conflict in the back of my mind yet coulnd't find a time to respond quitely to both you Michel and Heather, not sure if she is on this list. I was also hoping that both two good hearted and sharpest brains of our time wouldn't let it explode like this! now with this one it seemd geeting out of control. How can such expactable conflict reach to this level difficult to understand, so that almost there will be an anon ddos attack will be launched against a very very wrong target, may be the wrongest of all! I see practically how Heather could use her knowledge, links and swarming skills to launch an offnesive towards P2p-f. But why? There must be both personal, political and theoretical lessons to draw for the p2p theory and practice from the contradictory nature of the things here and sure that they will be very thoughtful. As For the immediate solution I also will try to talk Heather yet what could be good from your side Michel to do to neutrilise the accusation of Heather, which I read as 'p2p exploitation' of her and others by mainly you -in a way Tiziana argue for free labour, which makes you a p2p capitalist of some sort- can be sharing the P2P F's financial situation or any kind of public links you have on the p2pf wiki that would clarify that there is nothing like Heather is implicity or directly claiming. I think that would not only help to calm her down but would be good to stop anons and clear the confusion on the minds of your followers who do not really know about that much of the internal universe of the institution, including myself. Altough we all know how much we can achieve with almost no costs, but putting tons of hours of our free labour, an although we all know that we contribute collectively to our peers' reputations while we are building our own, the p2p distribution of the gains we make or value we create, when we are still stucked in the capitalis mode, still remains as the million dollar question we have to find an answer. I hope a kind of positive insight we might get out of this explosive conflict could also help us at the end to transcend the given exploitive relationships of any kind! Just zenn relax and turn it into positive learning experience for all.. solidarity, Orsan
On 10 nov. 2013, at 20:12, [email protected] wrote:
I am sure this is some sort of misunderstanding. I have had communication with Heather over a range of issues, and always found her appreciative and thoughtful. Please hold off judging if possible for a while.
Anna
Sent from my iPad
On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:52, Fabio Barone <[email protected]> wrote:
Just ignore and keep up the fantastic work. You never know where trolls come from or who sends them.
2013/11/10 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
Anonymous Operations@YourAnonCentral
A mob of overfunded old white men raging about an activists 'ego' & 'hysteria' after they stole her work. Nice. @mbauwens @P2P_Foundation
dear friends,
if you haven't noticed, after falsely accusing us of stealing her work (she herself sent us her excerpts to publish); and 7/8 exploding accusations, Heather Marsh, who doesn't know me nor the p2p foundation, is continuing a disinfo campaign through the heavily following Anonymous account;
I can't possibly defend myself and the P2P Foundation alone against this, so I hope I won't be alone in refuting these allegations or pointing out that Anonymous is chosing a wrong target.
Above, they seem to believe that P2P-F is publicly funded, and ignore the real precarity and sacrifice of the many people working with and around this,
This is extremely sad, and I am frankly baffled,
Michel Bauwens
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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