Re: [P2P-F] [commoning] The Co-operative University
interesting thread - thanks to all personal note - I hope your actions can evolve towards , or include awareness and support for : *" uncommodified, unmanaged, and uncurricularized "* http://p2pfoundation.net/Against_the_Professional_Cooptation_of_Community hence using institutions for de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized. potentially some examples, in addition to informal learning we experience in our daily lives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_College http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqqVwM6bMM and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimally_invasive_education such as ( when using ICT ) http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8MwyJH8Zo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8D3WE-PbM Personally, I am interested in converging tribes, into ( semi ? ) neo nomadic tribes, even if only for a specific time and specific space, for socially and environmentally regenerative participatory action research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_action_research I spent years hitch hiking, money-less, or almost money-less, and realize a home / base to return to is important. I hope the following space will become a reality, and a starting point for leveraging such approaches http://sharewiki.org/en/Antwerp_Collective I wish to encourage such approaches, or find ways to find overlap, with cooperative institutions, and enable scalability by supporting modular and open source parametric nomadic solutions and infrastructures : http://sharewiki.org/en/Spime_Housing and rapidly spread out such approach in most of the world, regardless of land ownership, money, or credentials, and in support of emergent collective intelligence and the commons. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Joss Winn <[email protected]> wrote:
Joe, Sam, Michel, Wouter,
Thanks for your replies to my initial email about co-operative universities.
http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-principles-in-higher-education/
At that link are my notes from the seminar held in London this week. For further updates, you can subscribe to my blog (email/RSS) and I will try to document notable developments in this area. See also: http://coopuni.wordpress.com/
We, at Lincoln, are in the process of organising a workshop early next year and probably an edited book on alternative higher education, so those are two ways that we might collaborate on this. In the meantime, a Skype chat sometime early next year is always possible. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and about any related work you’re doing.
Best, Joss
On 12/12/2013 18:24, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Joss:
there's likely to be interest in "Human Capabilities and Open Learning" branch of FLOK project (research leads of which copied in here). I'm also interested, and meaning to talk with them and you about Peeragogy (peeragogy.org). Sorry I couldn't make that time in London, but if there are further discussions I may be able to join.
Joe
PS. The FLOK info:
«This research stream will focus on institutional support for capacity building with a special focus on open learning and community driven collaboration. Within this research stream, learning is viewed as a pillar of development and growth in the context of a broad transition to a social economy that embodies reciprocity and commons-based value creation. This includes a particular stress on active public policies that respond to growing social challenges facing Ecuadorean society. Beyond conventional systems of learning and education that might depend upon closed proprietary structures, this research will utilize commons-based learning networks to harness open science and open educational resources (OER). Perhaps most importantly, this includes a broad interest in advancing the public good through partnering frameworks with civil society.» -
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan_Provided_by_the_Research_Co
ordinators
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wouter Tebbens (FKI) <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Joss and all,
last July I was invited to a "Foresight workshop for Open Education in Higher Education in Europe by 2030" organised by the EC's JRC/IPTS centre to contribute to the development of scenarios for OE in HE & Research.
At least part of the participants was interested in some forms of commons-governed models. Possibly you might be interested in my notes which I put up on my blog at FKI:
http://freeknowledge.eu/blog/wouter/ec-foresight-workshop-developing-a-co
mmons-educational-vision-for-higher-education-2030
I find it very interesting to read your work and interests in such direction.
best regards,
Wouter -- Free Knowledge Institute | http://freeknowledge.eu | Unlocking the Knowledge Society Free Technology Academy | http://ftacademy.org | Education about Free Software
On 12/09/2013 03:09 PM, Joss Winn wrote:
Sorry, the 'tag to follow' link should be: http://josswinn.org/tag/co-operative-university/
On 09/12/2013 14:02, "Joss Winn" <[email protected]> wrote:
I wanted to let list members know about a seminar in London on Thursday, but more generally, about emerging work around 'co-operative higher education'. The easiest way to do this is to point to a few blog posts, where I'm trying to document what is happening in the UK:
Seminar details: http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-university-seminar/
On-going bibliography: http://josswinn.org/2013/11/co-operative-universities-a-bibliography/
A personal account: http://josswinn.org/2013/11/a-co-operative-university/
Summary of recent report: 'Realising the co-operative university': http://josswinn.org/2013/12/realising-the-co-operative-university/
Tag to follow: http://josswinn.org/2013/11/a-co-operative-university/
Buried in that last link is a critique of 'Labour Managed Firms', which might interest list members.
Of course, if anyone is able to attend the seminar this week or is interested in discussing any of this further, please do get in touch.
Thanks Joss
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Interesting. I feel like years ago I started where you are coming from in this message. Then, over time I came to the conclusion that here in my environment very few are in a position to evolve in the way you describe. I don't think it is incumbent on me to fasten to any worldview. Rather it has been more effective for me to create the conditions for change. For me, this has meant starting from where people are at now. On Saturday, December 14, 2013, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
interesting thread - thanks to all
personal note - I hope your actions can evolve towards , or include awareness and support for :
*" uncommodified, unmanaged, and uncurricularized "*
http://p2pfoundation.net/Against_the_Professional_Cooptation_of_Community
hence using institutions for de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized.
potentially some examples, in addition to informal learning we experience in our daily lives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_College Bunker Roy: Learning from a barefoot movement<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqqVwM6bMM>
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimally_invasive_education such as ( when using ICT ) http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/ "The hole in the wall: self organising systems in education" - Sugata Mitra at ALT-C 2010 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8MwyJH8Zo> TED Talk - Hole in The Wall Experiment<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8D3WE-PbM>
Personally, I am interested in converging tribes, into ( semi ? ) neo nomadic tribes, even if only for a specific time and specific space, for socially and environmentally regenerative participatory action research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_action_research
I spent years hitch hiking, money-less, or almost money-less, and realize a home / base to return to is important.
I hope the following space will become a reality, and a starting point for leveraging such approaches
http://sharewiki.org/en/Antwerp_Collective
I wish to encourage such approaches, or find ways to find overlap, with cooperative institutions,
and enable scalability by supporting modular and open source parametric nomadic solutions and infrastructures : http://sharewiki.org/en/Spime_Housing
and rapidly spread out such approach in most of the world, regardless of land ownership, money, or credentials,
and in support of emergent collective intelligence and the commons.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Joss Winn <[email protected]> wrote:
Joe, Sam, Michel, Wouter,
Thanks for your replies to my initial email about co-operative universities.
http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-principles-in-higher-education/
At that link are my notes from the seminar held in London this week. For further updates, you can subscribe to my blog (email/RSS) and I will try to document notable developments in this area. See also: http://coopuni.wordpress.com/
We, at Lincoln, are in the process of organising a workshop early next year and probably an edited book on alternative higher education, so those are two ways that we might collaborate on this. In the meantime, a Skype chat sometime early next year is always possible. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and about any related work you’re doing.
Best, Joss
On 12/12/2013 18:24, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Joss:
there's likely to be interest in "Human Capabilities and Open Learning" branch of FLOK project (research leads of which copied in here). I'm also interested, and meaning to talk with them and you about Peeragogy (peeragogy.org). Sorry I couldn't make that time in London, but if there are further discussions I may be able to join.
Joe
PS. The FLOK info:
«This research stream will focus on institutional support for capacity building with a special focus on open learning and community driven collaboration. Within this research stream, learning is viewed as a pillar of development and growth in the context of a broad transition to a social economy that embodies reciprocity and commons-based value creation. This includes a particular stress on active public policies that respond to growing social challenges facing Ecuadorean society. Beyond conventional systems of learning and education that might depend upon closed proprietary structures, this research will utilize commons-based learning networks to harness open science and open educational resources (OER). Perhaps most importantly, this includes a broad interest in advancing the public good through partnering frameworks with civil society.» -
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan_Provided_by_the_Research_Co
ordinators
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wouter Tebbens (FKI) <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Joss and all,
last July I was invited to a "Foresight workshop for Open Education in Higher Education in Europe by 2030" organised by the EC's JRC/IPTS centre to contribute to the development of scenarios for OE in HE & Research.
At least part of the participants was interested in some forms of commons-governed models. Possibly you might be interested in my notes which I put up on my blog at FKI:
http://freeknowledge.eu/blog/wouter/ec-foresight-workshop-developing-a-co
mmons-educational-vision-for-higher-education-2030
I find it very interesting to read your work and interests in such direction.
best regards,
Wouter -- Free Knowledge Institute | http://freeknowledge.eu | Unlocking the Knowledge Society Free Technology Academy | http://ftacademy.org | Education about Free Software
On 12/09/2013 03:09 PM, Joss Winn wrote:
Sorry, the 'tag to follow' link should be: <http://josswinn.org/tag/co-operative-university/>
Thanks Sam Yes, I understand this. No worries, you are not too much ahead of me ;) ( if such thing ever exists ? Ever noticed yourself remembering what you understood when you where a child ... but forgot ? ) I remember past exchanges with you, always finding them very inspiring. Likely nothing new - but re-contextualizing : Independently from personal strategies ( including the potential influence of disillusion , and social pressures ) for shared action in a debt based tributary system, I believe we can see potentials for synergies between narratives. I do understand and see a "Cooperative" alternative to a "Corporate" university system as certainly useful ( if but only to regain some control and better re-distribute income ), even if certain of such cooperative learning institutions may recycle and build themselves on selling prospects for monetization of credentials throughout career based narratives. Yet do they apply for most of the populations of the world ? Is it even realistic to want to spread it out as an example. Perhaps rather see it as a mere improvement on the infrastructures supporting a current ( yet rapidly changing ) narrative and learning approach ? I hoped such processes will happen in full awareness, while keeping in mind other narratives with whom to overlap to support shared intentions. You probably noticed this list - many of whom are still in a monetized paradigm, yet with potential towards overlap with other narratives - http://emergentbydesign.com/2012/01/08/93-superhero-schools-collaboratories-... I already see this as a shift in narratives and social design, which likely can relate to the process this thread is about ? These seem to be reaching sufficient support as to become credible in the eyes of mainstream, converging in some cases californian tech start-up incubation narratives. The narrative supported in my last message is one many of us on this list may know about - the small is beautiful narrative - combined with that of converging the itinerant of an information rich NEET <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET> / Precariat / Freeter <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeter> / NINJA<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Income_No_Asset>Generation , and experimenting with neo-nomadic infrastructures, or relays. ( examples may be https://embassynetwork.com/ , http://nomadbase.org/ ) The new Pope of the Catholic Church seems to have consciously chosen to build on the narrative of Francis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi ( which has counterparts in other cultures ). There, too, there may be some overlap to find ;) So, looking forward to find overlaps between the narratives we may each choose to focus on, in support of shared collective intelligence and the commons. Cordially, Dante On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
Interesting.
I feel like years ago I started where you are coming from in this message. Then, over time I came to the conclusion that here in my environment very few are in a position to evolve in the way you describe.
I don't think it is incumbent on me to fasten to any worldview. Rather it has been more effective for me to create the conditions for change. For me, this has meant starting from where people are at now.
On Saturday, December 14, 2013, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
interesting thread - thanks to all
personal note - I hope your actions can evolve towards , or include awareness and support for :
*" uncommodified, unmanaged, and uncurricularized "*
http://p2pfoundation.net/Against_the_Professional_Cooptation_of_Community
hence using institutions for de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized.
potentially some examples, in addition to informal learning we experience in our daily lives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_College Bunker Roy: Learning from a barefoot movement<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqqVwM6bMM>
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimally_invasive_education such as ( when using ICT ) http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/ "The hole in the wall: self organising systems in education" - Sugata Mitra at ALT-C 2010 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8MwyJH8Zo> TED Talk - Hole in The Wall Experiment<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8D3WE-PbM>
Personally, I am interested in converging tribes, into ( semi ? ) neo nomadic tribes, even if only for a specific time and specific space, for socially and environmentally regenerative participatory action research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_action_research
I spent years hitch hiking, money-less, or almost money-less, and realize a home / base to return to is important.
I hope the following space will become a reality, and a starting point for leveraging such approaches
http://sharewiki.org/en/Antwerp_Collective
I wish to encourage such approaches, or find ways to find overlap, with cooperative institutions,
and enable scalability by supporting modular and open source parametric nomadic solutions and infrastructures : http://sharewiki.org/en/Spime_Housing
and rapidly spread out such approach in most of the world, regardless of land ownership, money, or credentials,
and in support of emergent collective intelligence and the commons.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Joss Winn <[email protected]> wrote:
Joe, Sam, Michel, Wouter,
Thanks for your replies to my initial email about co-operative universities.
http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-principles-in-higher-education/
At that link are my notes from the seminar held in London this week. For further updates, you can subscribe to my blog (email/RSS) and I will try to document notable developments in this area. See also: http://coopuni.wordpress.com/
We, at Lincoln, are in the process of organising a workshop early next year and probably an edited book on alternative higher education, so those are two ways that we might collaborate on this. In the meantime, a Skype chat sometime early next year is always possible. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and about any related work you’re doing.
Best, Joss
On 12/12/2013 18:24, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Joss:
there's likely to be interest in "Human Capabilities and Open Learning" branch of FLOK project (research leads of which copied in here). I'm also interested, and meaning to talk with them and you about Peeragogy (peeragogy.org). Sorry I couldn't make that time in London, but if there are further discussions I may be able to join.
Joe
PS. The FLOK info:
«This research stream will focus on institutional support for capacity building with a special focus on open learning and community driven collaboration. Within this research stream, learning is viewed as a pillar of development and growth in the context of a broad transition to a social economy that embodies reciprocity and commons-based value creation. This includes a particular stress on active public policies that respond to growing social challenges facing Ecuadorean society. Beyond conventional systems of learning and education that might depend upon closed proprietary structures, this research will utilize commons-based learning networks to harness open science and open educational resources (OER). Perhaps most importantly, this includes a broad interest in advancing the public good through partnering frameworks with civil society.» -
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan_Provided_by_the_Research_Co
ordinators
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wouter Tebbens (FKI) <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Joss and all,
last July I was invited to a "Foresight workshop for Open Education in Higher Education in Europe by 2030" organised by the EC's JRC/IPTS centre to contribute to the development of scenarios for OE in HE & Research.
At least part of the participants was interested in some forms of commons-governed models. Possibly you might be interested in my notes which I put up on my blog at FKI:
http://freeknowledge.eu/blog/wouter/ec-foresight-workshop-developing-a-co
mmons-educational-vision-for-higher-education-2030
I find it very interesting to read your work and interests in such direction.
best regards,
Wouter -- Free Knowledge Institute | http://freeknowledge.eu | Unlocking the Knowledge Society Free Technology Academy | http://ftacademy.org | Education about Free Software
On 12/09/2013 03:09 PM, Joss Winn wrote:
Sorry, the 'tag to follow' link should be: <http://josswinn.org/tag/co-operative-university/>
Thank you Dante for the quotation (from a talk by John McKnight<http://web.archive.org/web/20050207124554/http://www.smallisbeautiful.org/lec-mck.html>in Annual Schumacher lectures 1984) and as always your inspiring dedication to what is really *alive* in us. I think Sam you are underestimating 'where people are at now'. It doesn't take much for people to see through the professional accreditation system, witness all the alternative knowledge systems that are burgeoning on the web. Support people in discovering what they already know, and their concept of themselves as failures as defined by mainstream culture, will dissipate. Apathy is taught in our culture from the nursery when children are discouraged from following their own interests, in favour of a curriculum. Changing the curriculum, ie still needing to learn what someone else thinks is important, does not get to the core of the distortion, if at every level we are taught that what we want is inappropriate and unavailable. It is true that the urge, the thirst for knowledge, can get so suppressed that it is difficult to see any vestige of it in the routines of the daily lives of ourselves and those around us. Yet it is there, and it is up to us to nurse that spark, to focus what energy we can on keeping it alive. Anna Sent from my iPad On 14 Dec 2013, at 20:14, Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Sam Yes, I understand this. No worries, you are not too much ahead of me ;) ( if such thing ever exists ? Ever noticed yourself remembering what you understood when you where a child ... but forgot ? ) I remember past exchanges with you, always finding them very inspiring. Likely nothing new - but re-contextualizing : Independently from personal strategies ( including the potential influence of disillusion , and social pressures ) for shared action in a debt based tributary system, I believe we can see potentials for synergies between narratives. I do understand and see a "Cooperative" alternative to a "Corporate" university system as certainly useful ( if but only to regain some control and better re-distribute income ), even if certain of such cooperative learning institutions may recycle and build themselves on selling prospects for monetization of credentials throughout career based narratives. Yet do they apply for most of the populations of the world ? Is it even realistic to want to spread it out as an example. Perhaps rather see it as a mere improvement on the infrastructures supporting a current ( yet rapidly changing ) narrative and learning approach ? I hoped such processes will happen in full awareness, while keeping in mind other narratives with whom to overlap to support shared intentions. You probably noticed this list - many of whom are still in a monetized paradigm, yet with potential towards overlap with other narratives - http://emergentbydesign.com/2012/01/08/93-superhero-schools-collaboratories-... I already see this as a shift in narratives and social design, which likely can relate to the process this thread is about ? These seem to be reaching sufficient support as to become credible in the eyes of mainstream, converging in some cases californian tech start-up incubation narratives. The narrative supported in my last message is one many of us on this list may know about - the small is beautiful narrative - combined with that of converging the itinerant of an information rich NEET <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET> / Precariat / Freeter <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeter> / NINJA<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Income_No_Asset>Generation , and experimenting with neo-nomadic infrastructures, or relays. ( examples may be https://embassynetwork.com/ , http://nomadbase.org/ ) The new Pope of the Catholic Church seems to have consciously chosen to build on the narrative of Francis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi ( which has counterparts in other cultures ). There, too, there may be some overlap to find ;) So, looking forward to find overlaps between the narratives we may each choose to focus on, in support of shared collective intelligence and the commons. Cordially, Dante On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
Interesting.
I feel like years ago I started where you are coming from in this message. Then, over time I came to the conclusion that here in my environment very few are in a position to evolve in the way you describe.
I don't think it is incumbent on me to fasten to any worldview. Rather it has been more effective for me to create the conditions for change. For me, this has meant starting from where people are at now.
On Saturday, December 14, 2013, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
interesting thread - thanks to all
personal note - I hope your actions can evolve towards , or include awareness and support for :
*" uncommodified, unmanaged, and uncurricularized "*
http://p2pfoundation.net/Against_the_Professional_Cooptation_of_Community
hence using institutions for de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized.
potentially some examples, in addition to informal learning we experience in our daily lives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_College Bunker Roy: Learning from a barefoot movement<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqqVwM6bMM>
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimally_invasive_education such as ( when using ICT ) http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/ "The hole in the wall: self organising systems in education" - Sugata Mitra at ALT-C 2010 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8MwyJH8Zo> TED Talk - Hole in The Wall Experiment<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8D3WE-PbM>
Personally, I am interested in converging tribes, into ( semi ? ) neo nomadic tribes, even if only for a specific time and specific space, for socially and environmentally regenerative participatory action research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_action_research
I spent years hitch hiking, money-less, or almost money-less, and realize a home / base to return to is important.
I hope the following space will become a reality, and a starting point for leveraging such approaches
http://sharewiki.org/en/Antwerp_Collective
I wish to encourage such approaches, or find ways to find overlap, with cooperative institutions,
and enable scalability by supporting modular and open source parametric nomadic solutions and infrastructures : http://sharewiki.org/en/Spime_Housing
and rapidly spread out such approach in most of the world, regardless of land ownership, money, or credentials,
and in support of emergent collective intelligence and the commons.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Joss Winn <[email protected]> wrote:
Joe, Sam, Michel, Wouter,
Thanks for your replies to my initial email about co-operative universities.
http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-principles-in-higher-education/
At that link are my notes from the seminar held in London this week. For further updates, you can subscribe to my blog (email/RSS) and I will try to document notable developments in this area. See also: http://coopuni.wordpress.com/
We, at Lincoln, are in the process of organising a workshop early next year and probably an edited book on alternative higher education, so those are two ways that we might collaborate on this. In the meantime, a Skype chat sometime early next year is always possible. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and about any related work you’re doing.
Best, Joss
On 12/12/2013 18:24, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Joss:
there's likely to be interest in "Human Capabilities and Open Learning" branch of FLOK project (research leads of which copied in here). I'm also interested, and meaning to talk with them and you about Peeragogy (peeragogy.org). Sorry I couldn't make that time in London, but if there are further discussions I may be able to join.
Joe
PS. The FLOK info:
«This research stream will focus on institutional support for capacity building with a special focus on open learning and community driven collaboration. Within this research stream, learning is viewed as a pillar of development and growth in the context of a broad transition to a social economy that embodies reciprocity and commons-based value creation. This includes a particular stress on active public policies that respond to growing social challenges facing Ecuadorean society. Beyond conventional systems of learning and education that might depend upon closed proprietary structures, this research will utilize commons-based learning networks to harness open science and open educational resources (OER). Perhaps most importantly, this includes a broad interest in advancing the public good through partnering frameworks with civil society.» -
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan_Provided_by_the_Research_Co
ordinators
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wouter Tebbens (FKI) <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Joss and all,
last July I was invited to a "Foresight workshop for Open Education in Higher Education in Europe by 2030" organised by the EC's JRC/IPTS centre to contribute to the development of scenarios for OE in HE & Research.
At least part of the participants was interested in some forms of commons-governed models. Possibly you might be interested in my notes which I put up on my blog at FKI:
http://freeknowledge.eu/blog/wouter/ec-foresight-workshop-developing-a-co
mmons-educational-vision-for-higher-education-2030
I find it very interesting to read your work and interests in such direction.
best regards,
Wouter -- Free Knowledge Institute | http://freeknowledge.eu | Unlocking the Knowledge Society Free Technology Academy | http://ftacademy.org | Education about Free Software
On 12/09/2013 03:09 PM, Joss Winn wrote:
Sorry, the 'tag to follow' link should be: <http://josswinn.org/tag/co-operative-university/>
P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Anna Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
I think Sam you are underestimating 'where people are at now'. It doesn't take much for people to see through the professional accreditation system, witness all the alternative knowledge systems that are burgeoning on the web. Support people in discovering what they already know, and their concept of themselves as failures as defined by mainstream culture, will dissipate. Apathy is taught in our culture from the nursery when children are discouraged from following their own interests, in favour of a curriculum. Changing the curriculum, ie still needing to learn what someone else thinks is important, does not get to the core of the distortion, if at every level we are taught that what we want is inappropriate and unavailable.
All that I can tell you is this: my biggest successes in bringing commons based approaches into reality here in the Industrial Midwest of the US have happened where they were "hybridized" combinations of existing paradigms, and commons-based approaches. And, even those were difficult and often short-lived. If people have really good examples of "non-co-opted" approaches that meet your criteria for "de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized." I am ready to understand and learn from them At least with "open sourced" I've had experience and can point examples where institutions and professional networks of people have and can co-exist. I'd love to see commoning work outside of long standing institutions. However, my experience is that more success can be had by working with the existing system, and changing it where it is genuinely ready for change. If there is a different way, please shine a light upon it for the rest of us.
I certainly don't want to criticise the idea of a cooperative university and all the work you are doing at the SSC. However the fundamental distinction between students and teachers is that the former have to pay and the latter get paid. In my work as a professional this was a barrier I found I could not overcome. My time was valuable, my clients time was not. I'm just wondering if there is room to add on, perhaps as an option, a space where students and teachers merge, where students are in charge of what they learn, and may teach the teachers. Eg http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/24/students-post-crash-economic... Anna Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2013, at 16:03, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Anna Harris <[email protected]> wrote: I think Sam you are underestimating 'where people are at now'. It doesn't take much for people to see through the professional accreditation system, witness all the alternative knowledge systems that are burgeoning on the web. Support people in discovering what they already know, and their concept of themselves as failures as defined by mainstream culture, will dissipate. Apathy is taught in our culture from the nursery when children are discouraged from following their own interests, in favour of a curriculum. Changing the curriculum, ie still needing to learn what someone else thinks is important, does not get to the core of the distortion, if at every level we are taught that what we want is inappropriate and unavailable.
All that I can tell you is this: my biggest successes in bringing commons based approaches into reality here in the Industrial Midwest of the US have happened where they were "hybridized" combinations of existing paradigms, and commons-based approaches. And, even those were difficult and often short-lived.
If people have really good examples of "non-co-opted" approaches that meet your criteria for "de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized." I am ready to understand and learn from them
At least with "open sourced" I've had experience and can point examples where institutions and professional networks of people have and can co-exist.
I'd love to see commoning work outside of long standing institutions. However, my experience is that more success can be had by working with the existing system, and changing it where it is genuinely ready for change. If there is a different way, please shine a light upon it for the rest of us.
(sorry, somehow this discussion is spread across two very similar mailing lists! Here's my reply to the commoning list just now). On 15/12/2013 18:03, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
I certainly don't want to criticise the idea of a cooperative university and all the work you are doing at the SSC. However the fundamental distinction between students and teachers is that the former have to pay and the latter get paid. In my work as a professional this was a barrier I found I could not overcome. My time was valuable, my clients time was not.
I'm just wondering if there is room to add on, perhaps as an option, a space where students and teachers merge, where students are in charge of what they learn, and may teach the teachers. Eg http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/24/students-post-crash-econom ics
This is very much what we're working on at Lincoln, both inside and outside the university. Students in the UK and elsewhere are continually being reconfigured into a peculiar kind of consumer who co-produces themselves as 'human capital' - an 'improved' form of the labour-power commodity. We've been working on a critique and an affront to this for a few years now. You can read about 'Student as Producer' here: http://studentasproducer.lincoln.ac.uk/ If this is of interest to you, I'd suggest reading this book chapter: The student as producer: reinventing the student experience in higher education http://eprints.lincoln.ac.uk/1675/ and then more of Mike Neary's later work to develop it: Student as producer: an institution of the common? [or how to recover communist/revolutionary science] http://josswinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ELiSS0403A_Guest_paper.pdf Pedagogy of Excess: an alternative political economy of student life http://josswinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Pedagogy-of-Excess-preprint. pdf Student as Producer: A Pedagogy for the Avant-Garde; or, how do revolutionary teachers teach? http://josswinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/15-72-1-pb-1.pdf The Social Science Centre, Lincoln, take the ideas and the pedagogy of Student as Producer out of the university and, in one sense, is an attempt to develop it without the constraints of existing institutional forms. It's an experiment: http://www.radicalphilosophy.com/news/an-experiment-in-free-co-operative-hi gher-education As for co-operatives as a new model for higher education, I think it's worth pursuing this as a transitional model to a post-capitalist form of higher education institution. I've been trying to think about 'academic labour' and the university as a 'means of production' and extending this idea to co-operation. I posted some thoughts here: The association of free and equal producers http://josswinn.org/2013/06/the-association-of-free-and-equal-producers/ Notes towards a critique of Labour Managed Firms http://josswinn.org/2013/07/notes-towards-a-critique-of-labour-managed-firm s/ What is Academic labour? http://josswinn.org/2013/07/what-is-academic-labour/ My friend, Richard Hall (cc'd), also writes about this stuff, too: http://www.richard-hall.org/ All the best, Joss The University of Lincoln, located in the heart of the city of Lincoln, has established an international reputation based on high student satisfaction, excellent graduate employment and world-class research. The information in this e-mail and any attachments may be confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and remove it from your system. Do not disclose the contents to another person or take copies. Email is not secure and may contain viruses. The University of Lincoln makes every effort to ensure email is sent without viruses, but cannot guarantee this and recommends recipients take appropriate precautions. The University may monitor email traffic data and content in accordance with its policies and English law. Further information can be found at: http://www.lincoln.ac.uk/legal.
On 15/12/2013 15:51, Anna Harris wrote:
It doesn't take much for people to see through the professional accreditation system, witness all the alternative knowledge systems that are burgeoning on the web. Support people in discovering what they already know, and their concept of themselves as failures as defined by mainstream culture, will dissipate. Hello Anna, I thought you might like to see a video http://psycommons.wordpress.com on this very topic that introduces and defines the psyCommons. A second video to follow shortly looks at the 'professional accreditation systems', particularly those that maintain the myth of mental illness. Denis
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11u3vtcpaY *When 13 year-old Logan LaPlante grows up, he wants to be happy and healthy. He discusses how hacking his education is helping him achieve this goal. * *note : found via Franz N. fb* On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < [email protected]> wrote:
interesting thread - thanks to all
personal note - I hope your actions can evolve towards , or include awareness and support for :
*" uncommodified, unmanaged, and uncurricularized "*
http://p2pfoundation.net/Against_the_Professional_Cooptation_of_Community
hence using institutions for de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized.
potentially some examples, in addition to informal learning we experience in our daily lives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_College http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqqVwM6bMM
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimally_invasive_education such as ( when using ICT ) http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8MwyJH8Zo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8D3WE-PbM
Personally, I am interested in converging tribes, into ( semi ? ) neo nomadic tribes, even if only for a specific time and specific space, for socially and environmentally regenerative participatory action research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_action_research
I spent years hitch hiking, money-less, or almost money-less, and realize a home / base to return to is important.
I hope the following space will become a reality, and a starting point for leveraging such approaches
http://sharewiki.org/en/Antwerp_Collective
I wish to encourage such approaches, or find ways to find overlap, with cooperative institutions,
and enable scalability by supporting modular and open source parametric nomadic solutions and infrastructures : http://sharewiki.org/en/Spime_Housing
and rapidly spread out such approach in most of the world, regardless of land ownership, money, or credentials,
and in support of emergent collective intelligence and the commons.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Joss Winn <[email protected]> wrote:
Joe, Sam, Michel, Wouter,
Thanks for your replies to my initial email about co-operative universities.
http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-principles-in-higher-education/
At that link are my notes from the seminar held in London this week. For further updates, you can subscribe to my blog (email/RSS) and I will try to document notable developments in this area. See also: http://coopuni.wordpress.com/
We, at Lincoln, are in the process of organising a workshop early next year and probably an edited book on alternative higher education, so those are two ways that we might collaborate on this. In the meantime, a Skype chat sometime early next year is always possible. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and about any related work you’re doing.
Best, Joss
On 12/12/2013 18:24, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Joss:
there's likely to be interest in "Human Capabilities and Open Learning" branch of FLOK project (research leads of which copied in here). I'm also interested, and meaning to talk with them and you about Peeragogy (peeragogy.org). Sorry I couldn't make that time in London, but if there are further discussions I may be able to join.
Joe
PS. The FLOK info:
«This research stream will focus on institutional support for capacity building with a special focus on open learning and community driven collaboration. Within this research stream, learning is viewed as a pillar of development and growth in the context of a broad transition to a social economy that embodies reciprocity and commons-based value creation. This includes a particular stress on active public policies that respond to growing social challenges facing Ecuadorean society. Beyond conventional systems of learning and education that might depend upon closed proprietary structures, this research will utilize commons-based learning networks to harness open science and open educational resources (OER). Perhaps most importantly, this includes a broad interest in advancing the public good through partnering frameworks with civil society.» -
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan_Provided_by_the_Research_Co
ordinators
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wouter Tebbens (FKI) <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Joss and all,
last July I was invited to a "Foresight workshop for Open Education in Higher Education in Europe by 2030" organised by the EC's JRC/IPTS centre to contribute to the development of scenarios for OE in HE & Research.
At least part of the participants was interested in some forms of commons-governed models. Possibly you might be interested in my notes which I put up on my blog at FKI:
http://freeknowledge.eu/blog/wouter/ec-foresight-workshop-developing-a-co
mmons-educational-vision-for-higher-education-2030
I find it very interesting to read your work and interests in such direction.
best regards,
Wouter -- Free Knowledge Institute | http://freeknowledge.eu | Unlocking the Knowledge Society Free Technology Academy | http://ftacademy.org | Education about Free Software
On 12/09/2013 03:09 PM, Joss Winn wrote:
Sorry, the 'tag to follow' link should be: http://josswinn.org/tag/co-operative-university/
On 09/12/2013 14:02, "Joss Winn" <[email protected]> wrote:
I wanted to let list members know about a seminar in London on Thursday, but more generally, about emerging work around 'co-operative higher education'. The easiest way to do this is to point to a few blog posts, where I'm trying to document what is happening in the UK:
Seminar details: http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-university-seminar/
On-going bibliography:
http://josswinn.org/2013/11/co-operative-universities-a-bibliography/
A personal account: http://josswinn.org/2013/11/a-co-operative-university/
Summary of recent report: 'Realising the co-operative university': http://josswinn.org/2013/12/realising-the-co-operative-university/
Tag to follow:
http://josswinn.org/2013/11/a-co-operative-university/
Buried in that last link is a critique of 'Labour Managed Firms', which might interest list members.
Of course, if anyone is able to attend the seminar this week or is interested in discussing any of this further, please do get in touch.
Thanks Joss
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR8hfUkmk6Q ( 7 minute video excerpt ) Noam Chomsky explains how the education system works. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:11 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < [email protected]> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11u3vtcpaY
*When 13 year-old Logan LaPlante grows up, he wants to be happy and healthy. He discusses how hacking his education is helping him achieve this goal. *
*note : found via Franz N. fb*
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < [email protected]> wrote:
interesting thread - thanks to all
personal note - I hope your actions can evolve towards , or include awareness and support for :
*" uncommodified, unmanaged, and uncurricularized "*
http://p2pfoundation.net/Against_the_Professional_Cooptation_of_Community
hence using institutions for de-institutionalization : non monetized, self organized ( and open sourced ), non credentialized.
potentially some examples, in addition to informal learning we experience in our daily lives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_College http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqqVwM6bMM
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimally_invasive_education such as ( when using ICT ) http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8MwyJH8Zo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8D3WE-PbM
Personally, I am interested in converging tribes, into ( semi ? ) neo nomadic tribes, even if only for a specific time and specific space, for socially and environmentally regenerative participatory action research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_action_research
I spent years hitch hiking, money-less, or almost money-less, and realize a home / base to return to is important.
I hope the following space will become a reality, and a starting point for leveraging such approaches
http://sharewiki.org/en/Antwerp_Collective
I wish to encourage such approaches, or find ways to find overlap, with cooperative institutions,
and enable scalability by supporting modular and open source parametric nomadic solutions and infrastructures : http://sharewiki.org/en/Spime_Housing
and rapidly spread out such approach in most of the world, regardless of land ownership, money, or credentials,
and in support of emergent collective intelligence and the commons.
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Joss Winn <[email protected]> wrote:
Joe, Sam, Michel, Wouter,
Thanks for your replies to my initial email about co-operative universities.
http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-principles-in-higher-education/
At that link are my notes from the seminar held in London this week. For further updates, you can subscribe to my blog (email/RSS) and I will try to document notable developments in this area. See also: http://coopuni.wordpress.com/
We, at Lincoln, are in the process of organising a workshop early next year and probably an edited book on alternative higher education, so those are two ways that we might collaborate on this. In the meantime, a Skype chat sometime early next year is always possible. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and about any related work you’re doing.
Best, Joss
On 12/12/2013 18:24, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Joss:
there's likely to be interest in "Human Capabilities and Open Learning" branch of FLOK project (research leads of which copied in here). I'm also interested, and meaning to talk with them and you about Peeragogy (peeragogy.org). Sorry I couldn't make that time in London, but if there are further discussions I may be able to join.
Joe
PS. The FLOK info:
«This research stream will focus on institutional support for capacity building with a special focus on open learning and community driven collaboration. Within this research stream, learning is viewed as a pillar of development and growth in the context of a broad transition to a social economy that embodies reciprocity and commons-based value creation. This includes a particular stress on active public policies that respond to growing social challenges facing Ecuadorean society. Beyond conventional systems of learning and education that might depend upon closed proprietary structures, this research will utilize commons-based learning networks to harness open science and open educational resources (OER). Perhaps most importantly, this includes a broad interest in advancing the public good through partnering frameworks with civil society.» -
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan_Provided_by_the_Research_Co
ordinators
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wouter Tebbens (FKI) <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Joss and all,
last July I was invited to a "Foresight workshop for Open Education in Higher Education in Europe by 2030" organised by the EC's JRC/IPTS centre to contribute to the development of scenarios for OE in HE & Research.
At least part of the participants was interested in some forms of commons-governed models. Possibly you might be interested in my notes which I put up on my blog at FKI:
http://freeknowledge.eu/blog/wouter/ec-foresight-workshop-developing-a-co
mmons-educational-vision-for-higher-education-2030
I find it very interesting to read your work and interests in such direction.
best regards,
Wouter -- Free Knowledge Institute | http://freeknowledge.eu | Unlocking the Knowledge Society Free Technology Academy | http://ftacademy.org | Education about Free Software
On 12/09/2013 03:09 PM, Joss Winn wrote:
Sorry, the 'tag to follow' link should be: http://josswinn.org/tag/co-operative-university/
On 09/12/2013 14:02, "Joss Winn" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I wanted to let list members know about a seminar in London on >Thursday, > but more generally, about emerging work around 'co-operative higher > education'. The easiest way to do this is to point to a few blog >posts, > where I'm trying to document what is happening in the UK: > > Seminar details: > http://josswinn.org/2013/12/co-operative-university-seminar/ > > On-going bibliography: > http://josswinn.org/2013/11/co-operative-universities-a-bibliography/ > > A personal account: >http://josswinn.org/2013/11/a-co-operative-university/ > > Summary of recent report: 'Realising the co-operative university': > http://josswinn.org/2013/12/realising-the-co-operative-university/ > > Tag to follow: http://josswinn.org/2013/11/a-co-operative-university/ > > Buried in that last link is a critique of 'Labour Managed Firms', >which > might interest list members. > > Of course, if anyone is able to attend the seminar this week or is > interested in discussing any of this further, please do get in touch. > > Thanks > Joss > > -- > > Joss Winn > > Senior Lecturer > Centre for Educational Research and Development > University of Lincoln > LN6 7TS > > http://staff.lincoln.ac.uk/jwinn > > > > > > The University of Lincoln, located in the heart of the city of >Lincoln, > has established an international reputation based on high student > satisfaction, excellent graduate employment and world-class research. > > The information in this e-mail and any attachments may be >confidential. > If you have received this email in error please notify the sender > immediately and remove it from your system. Do not disclose the >contents > to another person or take copies. > > Email is not secure and may contain viruses. The University of Lincoln > makes every effort to ensure email is sent without viruses, but cannot > guarantee this and recommends recipients take appropriate precautions. > > The University may monitor email traffic data and content in >accordance > with its policies and English law. Further information can be found >at: > http://www.lincoln.ac.uk/legal. > _______________________________________________ > commoning Mailingliste > JPBerlin - Politischer Provider > [email protected] > https://listen.jpberlin.de/mailman/listinfo/commoning
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