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Marcin at http://OpenFarmTech.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory wrote:
Imagine if you could build cars, industrial robots, engines, and other things in your own back yard.
If everyone can access the Means of Production, how will we keep wages above a bare minimum?
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Patrick Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
Marcin at http://OpenFarmTech.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory wrote:
Imagine if you could build cars, industrial robots, engines, and other things in your own back yard.
If everyone can access the Means of Production, how will we keep wages above a bare minimum?
Won't people have a lot of spare money laying around when they don't have to pay for everything?
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On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Patrick Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
Marcin at http://OpenFarmTech.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory wrote:
Imagine if you could build cars, industrial robots, engines, and other things in your own back yard.
If everyone can access the Means of Production, how will we keep wages above a bare minimum?
Note from the future: The idea of wages is a archaic adaption that we made as a society before the Interconnected Age where competition for intellectual and creative capital eventually stopped the warfare for production and turned humanity towards community and love. Hahahaha Marcos
I think it's as simple as this: you don't need a wage, what is a wage? You can't eat that. Humans have needs, that is, services, food, tools etc. If those can be produced easily then who needs a high wage? Some people will produce/create some stuff, others some other stuff etc. Now only corporations are into production and that is why people struggle to raise money so they can buy what they need from them. But if everyone can produce what they like to produce (be it a tool or a service or something else) then you have it: that's it, people have needs and other people fulfill them and vice versa. So who needs $1500 per month to live? On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Mark Janssen <[email protected]>wrote:
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Patrick Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
Marcin at http://OpenFarmTech.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory wrote:
Imagine if you could build cars, industrial robots, engines, and other things in your own back yard.
If everyone can access the Means of Production, how will we keep wages above a bare minimum?
Note from the future: The idea of wages is a archaic adaption that we made as a society before the Interconnected Age where competition for intellectual and creative capital eventually stopped the warfare for production and turned humanity towards community and love.
Hahahaha
Marcos
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:10 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
I think it's as simple as this: you don't need a wage, what is a wage? You can't eat that. Humans have needs, that is, services, food, tools etc. If those can be produced easily then who needs a high wage?
Lol @Dante et al. Yeah that's what I basically mean. The concept of "wage" is a sort of artifice that we've accepted as normal within the industrial age, when the old style of living was eaten up so seductively (like it currently is happening in rural China) as to be unnoticable marcos.
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear /Eli,
this is VERY important, can you report on this in the p2p foundation blog:
http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory/
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From the blog post above:
"This will test the feasibility of the interchangeable Power Cube as an engine for cars." This is talking about http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Power_Cube_Build_Instructions I assume. If so, as a person who's actually participated in the building of cars from nothing to drivable car, I am skeptical of this particular car design. Hydraulic systems in frequent service require a LOT of maintenance and care to be dependable. I can imagine a car that is powered mostly on hydraulics having all kinds of failures after suffering hot/cold weather changes. One hose opens and you are probably done. Many potential points of failure. Hydraulics are used in large machinery because of the mechanical advantage they offer. But the trade-off is that they tend to need more service and care. You are looking at cost in changing the hydraulic oil, changing seals, expensive replacement of high tolerance parts (until you are able to produce them) etc Hybrid electric or full electric open source car makes far more sense. -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://futureforwardinstitute.com http://forwardfound.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan
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