Re: [P2P-F] [Debate-List] Must-Read Piece by Assange on Communications, Empire and, of course, the US One!
What about lack of interest from Left academic, Marxists, anarchists, institutional actors, parties, NGOs, who stayed behind in supporting Assange, why they did not use the millions worth findings to question, research, and more important publicize such documentation massively unleashing and revealing the truth? These files and cables are intelligence commons, belongs to people, can free humanity; where has been those who claim to be the representing millions of workers, consumers, citizens...
On 18 sep. 2015, at 16:53, peter waterman <[email protected]> wrote:
Strongly argued piece by Assange, which greatly increases my respect for him.
Highly original, I would think.
To be widely spread (particularly to members of the US International Studies Association?)
Regret I couldn't paste in the piece itself:
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32096-what-wikileaks-teaches-...
Enjoy!
PeterW
-- Recent publications
1. 2014. From Coldwar Communism to the Global Justice Movement: Itinerary of a Long-Distance Internationalist. http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/from_coldwar_communism _to_the_global_emancipatory_movement/ (Free). 2. 2014. Interface Journal Special (Co-Editor), December 2014. 'Social Movement Internationalisms'. (Free).3. 2014. with Laurence Cox, ‘Movement Internationalism/s’, Interface: a Journal for and about Social Movements. (Editorial), Vol. 6 (2), pp. 1–12. 4. 2014. ‘The International Labour Movement in, Against and Beyond, the Globalized and Informatized Cage of Capitalism and Bureaucracy. (Interview). Interface: a Journal for and about Social Movements. Vol. 6 (2), pp. 35-58. 5. 2014. 'The Networked Internationalism of Labour's Others', in Jai Sen (ed), Peter Waterman (co-ed), The Movement of Movements: Struggles for Other Worlds (Part I). (10 Euros). 6. 2015. Waterman, Peter. ‘Beyond Labourism, Development and Decent Work’. Global Labour Journal, 2015, 6(2), pp. 246-50.
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Orsan, Once again I hear your frustration and desperation. But I think you underestimate the expertise and dedication required to sift through and understand the material released by Wikileaks. Here Assange is spelling it out for us so it appears obvious. But you have to have the time and motivation to do this work. And it is dangerous, as you can see from the threats to Assange which have him holed up in the embassy in London, and other whistle blowers imprisoned or fled. He was accused of rape and about to be extradited, and because it was a woman's issue, many turned against him. The Guardian did publish some of the material, yet there is no guarantee that publicising the material in itself, will have much effect, without the analysis that someone like Assange who has devoted himself to this, can bring to it. It is not to blame others for what we have not been willing or able to undertake ourselves, but to appreciate the persistence and dedication that he has given. And I'm sure there are many others like him, unsung heroes, that we never hear about, who end up forgotten behind bars. Anna
On 18 Sep 2015, at 23:56, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote:
What about lack of interest from Left academic, Marxists, anarchists, institutional actors, parties, NGOs, who stayed behind in supporting Assange, why they did not use the millions worth findings to question, research, and more important publicize such documentation massively unleashing and revealing the truth? These files and cables are intelligence commons, belongs to people, can free humanity; where has been those who claim to be the representing millions of workers, consumers, citizens...
On 18 sep. 2015, at 16:53, peter waterman <[email protected]> wrote:
Strongly argued piece by Assange, which greatly increases my respect for him.
Highly original, I would think.
To be widely spread (particularly to members of the US International Studies Association?)
Regret I couldn't paste in the piece itself:
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32096-what-wikileaks-teaches-...
Enjoy!
PeterW
-- Recent publications
1. 2014. From Coldwar Communism to the Global Justice Movement: Itinerary of a Long-Distance Internationalist. http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/from_coldwar_communism _to_the_global_emancipatory_movement/ (Free). 2. 2014. Interface Journal Special (Co-Editor), December 2014. 'Social Movement Internationalisms'. (Free).3. 2014. with Laurence Cox, ‘Movement Internationalism/s’, Interface: a Journal for and about Social Movements. (Editorial), Vol. 6 (2), pp. 1–12. 4. 2014. ‘The International Labour Movement in, Against and Beyond, the Globalized and Informatized Cage of Capitalism and Bureaucracy. (Interview). Interface: a Journal for and about Social Movements. Vol. 6 (2), pp. 35-58. 5. 2014. 'The Networked Internationalism of Labour's Others', in Jai Sen (ed), Peter Waterman (co-ed), The Movement of Movements: Struggles for Other Worlds (Part I). (10 Euros). 6. 2015. Waterman, Peter. ‘Beyond Labourism, Development and Decent Work’. Global Labour Journal, 2015, 6(2), pp. 246-50.
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It can not be made easier Anna: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/ Anyone can do a word search and dig in and surf easily as in an open library; especially if trained in research, but even not necessary to be trained. I think you underestimate Anna, as many others, what 'ordinary' people, we, are capable of in practical and analytical senses. There is consciously bad and wrong in the world, and they are around, among, and even within every one of us. I am sure you agree that, as they say the world is a dangerous place not because of those doing horrible things but those who sees them and then walk away. Not seeing and saying, or identifying those who can and be hurting others, or be quite when others got heart, for their own benefit, needs to be peer to peer communicated to build up an ethic or norm that can be transformative. I don't think frustration is equal to desperation, to accept the reality one needs to talk about things openly. May be it is hard and fragile to realize it, but we can not refuse and runaway from confrontation, for the sake of purity. Orsan
On 19 sep. 2015, at 08:48, Anna Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
Orsan,
Once again I hear your frustration and desperation.
But I think you underestimate the expertise and dedication required to sift through and understand the material released by Wikileaks. Here Assange is spelling it out for us so it appears obvious. But you have to have the time and motivation to do this work. And it is dangerous, as you can see from the threats to Assange which have him holed up in the embassy in London, and other whistle blowers imprisoned or fled. He was accused of rape and about to be extradited, and because it was a woman's issue, many turned against him.
The Guardian did publish some of the material, yet there is no guarantee that publicising the material in itself, will have much effect, without the analysis that someone like Assange who has devoted himself to this, can bring to it.
It is not to blame others for what we have not been willing or able to undertake ourselves, but to appreciate the persistence and dedication that he has given. And I'm sure there are many others like him, unsung heroes, that we never hear about, who end up forgotten behind bars.
Anna
On 18 Sep 2015, at 23:56, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote:
What about lack of interest from Left academic, Marxists, anarchists, institutional actors, parties, NGOs, who stayed behind in supporting Assange, why they did not use the millions worth findings to question, research, and more important publicize such documentation massively unleashing and revealing the truth? These files and cables are intelligence commons, belongs to people, can free humanity; where has been those who claim to be the representing millions of workers, consumers, citizens...
On 18 sep. 2015, at 16:53, peter waterman <[email protected]> wrote:
Strongly argued piece by Assange, which greatly increases my respect for him.
Highly original, I would think.
To be widely spread (particularly to members of the US International Studies Association?)
Regret I couldn't paste in the piece itself:
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32096-what-wikileaks-teaches-...
Enjoy!
PeterW
-- Recent publications
1. 2014. From Coldwar Communism to the Global Justice Movement: Itinerary of a Long-Distance Internationalist. http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/from_coldwar_communism _to_the_global_emancipatory_movement/ (Free). 2. 2014. Interface Journal Special (Co-Editor), December 2014. 'Social Movement Internationalisms'. (Free).3. 2014. with Laurence Cox, ‘Movement Internationalism/s’, Interface: a Journal for and about Social Movements. (Editorial), Vol. 6 (2), pp. 1–12. 4. 2014. ‘The International Labour Movement in, Against and Beyond, the Globalized and Informatized Cage of Capitalism and Bureaucracy. (Interview). Interface: a Journal for and about Social Movements. Vol. 6 (2), pp. 35-58. 5. 2014. 'The Networked Internationalism of Labour's Others', in Jai Sen (ed), Peter Waterman (co-ed), The Movement of Movements: Struggles for Other Worlds (Part I). (10 Euros). 6. 2015. Waterman, Peter. ‘Beyond Labourism, Development and Decent Work’. Global Labour Journal, 2015, 6(2), pp. 246-50.
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