how zaarly is empowering local markets
Hi Sepp, could you look into this, present zaarly and eventually embed this video in the article, see http://vimeo.com/23510636 I think this may be an important project, Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
From a design concept perspective, the idea of making the main interface a map is a great idea.
There are some problems with using systems like Zaarly to scale up beyond really simple person to person transactions around food, energy and manufacturing though On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sepp, could you look into this, present zaarly and eventually embed this video in the article, see http://vimeo.com/23510636
I think this may be an important project,
Michel
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sam, could you explain the scaling issue, and what you see as the solution to it? On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
From a design concept perspective, the idea of making the main interface a map is a great idea.
There are some problems with using systems like Zaarly to scale up beyond really simple person to person transactions around food, energy and manufacturing though
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sepp, could you look into this, present zaarly and eventually embed this video in the article, see http://vimeo.com/23510636
I think this may be an important project,
Michel
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On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
sam, could you explain the scaling issue, and what you see as the solution to it?
Food: For 90% of people in the region I am in, this system would not afford what producers, distributors and consumers would need to comply with state and federal law if they were moving or producing a volume larger than a few small boxes. There are open source software options that could help here, but would still need work to create a regulation compliant distributed marketplace. Energy: People could possibly facilitate limited transactions around energy on zaarly, but there is no useful distribution mechanism, and zaarly as a website is not optimized for any kind of energy stocks and flows transactions. So, not impossible, but would be very inefficient. Manufacturing: (similar to complex food processing) when things start to scale up in manufacturing, you need systems that can automate bill of materials, procurement, accounting, invoicing, production planning, pricing, etc over time. Zaarly doesn't do any of this. The solution I see is that a website like zaarly is great for what is already emerging on zaarly (simple exchanges of relatively simple things). However, if and when needs cross a threshold of being more than just a few simple things bought and sold (or otherwise transacted) then a website like zaarly would need to provide participants with the tools to deal with more complex dynamics around flows and stocks of wealth. A zaarly-style website that deals with food transactions would take on complying with regulations around food safety and tracking origin/presence of food. I realize that zaarly never specifically represented itself as being fit for food/energy/manufacturing use. However, I use those areas of need as a litmus test of sorts, since they are the most costly and difficult need for most people to meet (discluding health care).
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
From a design concept perspective, the idea of making the main interface a map is a great idea.
There are some problems with using systems like Zaarly to scale up beyond really simple person to person transactions around food, energy and manufacturing though
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sepp, could you look into this, present zaarly and eventually embed this video in the article, see http://vimeo.com/23510636
I think this may be an important project,
Michel
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thanks sam! On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
sam, could you explain the scaling issue, and what you see as the solution to it?
Food: For 90% of people in the region I am in, this system would not afford what producers, distributors and consumers would need to comply with state and federal law if they were moving or producing a volume larger than a few small boxes. There are open source software options that could help here, but would still need work to create a regulation compliant distributed marketplace.
Energy: People could possibly facilitate limited transactions around energy on zaarly, but there is no useful distribution mechanism, and zaarly as a website is not optimized for any kind of energy stocks and flows transactions. So, not impossible, but would be very inefficient.
Manufacturing: (similar to complex food processing) when things start to scale up in manufacturing, you need systems that can automate bill of materials, procurement, accounting, invoicing, production planning, pricing, etc over time. Zaarly doesn't do any of this.
The solution I see is that a website like zaarly is great for what is already emerging on zaarly (simple exchanges of relatively simple things). However, if and when needs cross a threshold of being more than just a few simple things bought and sold (or otherwise transacted) then a website like zaarly would need to provide participants with the tools to deal with more complex dynamics around flows and stocks of wealth. A zaarly-style website that deals with food transactions would take on complying with regulations around food safety and tracking origin/presence of food.
I realize that zaarly never specifically represented itself as being fit for food/energy/manufacturing use. However, I use those areas of need as a litmus test of sorts, since they are the most costly and difficult need for most people to meet (discluding health care).
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
From a design concept perspective, the idea of making the main interface a map is a great idea.
There are some problems with using systems like Zaarly to scale up beyond really simple person to person transactions around food, energy and manufacturing though
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Michel Bauwens <
wrote:
Hi Sepp, could you look into this, present zaarly and eventually embed this video in the article, see http://vimeo.com/23510636
I think this may be an important project,
Michel
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Michel Bauwens -
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