---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin Carson <[email protected]> Date: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [NetworkedLabour] "Universal Basic Income Is a Neoliberal Plot To Make You Poorer" To: Cc: "<[email protected]>" < [email protected]> Seems like a stretch to me. If anything, decoupling basic subsistence income from wage labor would be more likely to enable more direct production of goods and servicesfor use, in the social economy rather than the cash nexus. And it would increase the bargaining power of those still within the wage system by at least marginally reducing the number of workers competing for wage labor, and at least partially increasing the ability of workers to step back from the bargaining table for a while. On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Theodoros Karyotis <[email protected]> wrote:

"The notion that we can solve inequality within capitalism by indiscriminately giving people money and leaving the provisioning of all social needs to corporations is extremely dubious. While this view is to be expected among those, like Murray and Friedman, who promote capitalism, it is not compatible with anticapitalism. UBI will end up in the hands of capitalists. We will be dependent on these same capitalists for everything we need. But to truly alleviate poverty, productive capacity must be directed toward creating real value for society and not toward "maximizing shareholder value" of profit-seeking investors."

http://furtherfield.org/features/articles/universal- basic-income-neoliberal-plot-make-you-poorer

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