Re: [P2P-F] stonehenge as counterrevolution and the paleolithic sex strike
thanks for the details, very useful .. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Andy Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, Chris Knight is quite a famous figure here. He's involved in street-theatre protests. He got purged from his university for supporting the G20 protests (mixture of managerial fascism and gutter press witch-hunt) and ended up in exile for awhile, though he seems to be back now, and was arrested pre-emptively before the Royal Wedding. He is or was also associated with Labour Left Briefing (a post-Trotskyite group in the Labour Party). He's been promoting this same theory Sims adopts for some time, i.e. the serpent/dragon symbolises a solidarity strike by women which founded humanity by destroying patriarchy/individualism, and all this linked in with moon cycle symbolism as well. He's put some of his stuff online here: http://www.chrisknight.co.uk/ Camilla Power, the other person named here, is Knight's partner, and also an anthropology professor. The Radical Anthropology Group has all the hallmarks of being Knight's fanclub/brainchild, their website is here: http://www.radicalanthropologygroup.org/new/Home.html and they also link to this site: http://www.lunarchy.org/lunarchy.org/Home.html TBH I'd never comes across the group before you sent me the email, which suggests they don't have much of a following in anthropology. They're coming from a very particular niche I think, a kind of Marxist evolutionism, which is very much at odds with where most radical anthropologists would situate themselves nowadays (poststructuralist / postcolonial / power-analysis), and also apparently unconnected to the "anti-civ" people using anthropology in relation to radical green activism (who are very much not Marxists). They're probably a bit of a groupuscle, and they almost seem to be creating a new belief-system with its own narrative of origins, fall and recurrence, somewhere between Marxism and New Age.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks for the reply ... would you have any resources related to the radical anthropology group?
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Andy Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
Hiya,
Sims is new to me, but this sounds very similar to Engels' position, and also to Zerzan. Things get very speculative that far back, and most anthropologists leave this stuff to archaeologists nowadays, partly because of the reflexive turn in anthropology. The main quibble I'd raise is that, while some hunter-gatherer groups are recorded as gender-egalitarian, others are not (e.g. Sambia, Guarani, Yanomami), and on the other hand, some sedentary pastoralists are gender-egalitarian or tend towards women's power (Ladakh, Manipur). Also, there isn't much evidence for rule by women at any point, and the whole transition from ape to man thing is dubious. We're talking transition from extinct early hominids whose social life we know next to nothing about; people in the Engelsian tradition (and social Darwinists also) extrapolate from chimps (which are patriarchal and aggressive), but we're actually more closely related to Bonobos, which are also communistic, egalitarian and arguably matriarchal. Also I'm fairly sure the "incest taboo led to intelligence" thing is falsified by animal breeding experiments, though I don't know the details.
bw Andy
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:
see http://www.radicalanthropologygroup.org/old/pub_knight_power_watts_big.pdfan... read it with http://www.radicalanthropologygroup.org/old/pub_knight_power_watts_big.pdf
really interesting stuff about the origins of class society and the hunter-gathering to agriculture switch
Michel
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Sounds fascinating. For my birthday I would like an extra brain and 50 hour days. The ability to stop time (or perception of it) and/or being able to read (and digest information) at the speed of light could be a suitable alternative. Thanks for sharing! Not sure how, but I definitely want to read all this properly.. On 10 September 2011 06:51, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
thanks for the details, very useful ..
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Andy Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, Chris Knight is quite a famous figure here. He's involved in street-theatre protests. He got purged from his university for supporting the G20 protests (mixture of managerial fascism and gutter press witch-hunt) and ended up in exile for awhile, though he seems to be back now, and was arrested pre-emptively before the Royal Wedding. He is or was also associated with Labour Left Briefing (a post-Trotskyite group in the Labour Party). He's been promoting this same theory Sims adopts for some time, i.e. the serpent/dragon symbolises a solidarity strike by women which founded humanity by destroying patriarchy/individualism, and all this linked in with moon cycle symbolism as well. He's put some of his stuff online here: http://www.chrisknight.co.uk/ Camilla Power, the other person named here, is Knight's partner, and also an anthropology professor. The Radical Anthropology Group has all the hallmarks of being Knight's fanclub/brainchild, their website is here: http://www.radicalanthropologygroup.org/new/Home.html and they also link to this site: http://www.lunarchy.org/lunarchy.org/Home.html TBH I'd never comes across the group before you sent me the email, which suggests they don't have much of a following in anthropology. They're coming from a very particular niche I think, a kind of Marxist evolutionism, which is very much at odds with where most radical anthropologists would situate themselves nowadays (poststructuralist / postcolonial / power-analysis), and also apparently unconnected to the "anti-civ" people using anthropology in relation to radical green activism (who are very much not Marxists). They're probably a bit of a groupuscle, and they almost seem to be creating a new belief-system with its own narrative of origins, fall and recurrence, somewhere between Marxism and New Age.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]
wrote:
thanks for the reply ... would you have any resources related to the radical anthropology group?
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Andy Robinson <[email protected]> wrote:
Hiya,
Sims is new to me, but this sounds very similar to Engels' position, and also to Zerzan. Things get very speculative that far back, and most anthropologists leave this stuff to archaeologists nowadays, partly because of the reflexive turn in anthropology. The main quibble I'd raise is that, while some hunter-gatherer groups are recorded as gender-egalitarian, others are not (e.g. Sambia, Guarani, Yanomami), and on the other hand, some sedentary pastoralists are gender-egalitarian or tend towards women's power (Ladakh, Manipur). Also, there isn't much evidence for rule by women at any point, and the whole transition from ape to man thing is dubious. We're talking transition from extinct early hominids whose social life we know next to nothing about; people in the Engelsian tradition (and social Darwinists also) extrapolate from chimps (which are patriarchal and aggressive), but we're actually more closely related to Bonobos, which are also communistic, egalitarian and arguably matriarchal. Also I'm fairly sure the "incest taboo led to intelligence" thing is falsified by animal breeding experiments, though I don't know the details.
bw Andy
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:
see http://www.radicalanthropologygroup.org/old/pub_knight_power_watts_big.pdfan... read it with http://www.radicalanthropologygroup.org/old/pub_knight_power_watts_big.pdf
really interesting stuff about the origins of class society and the hunter-gathering to agriculture switch
Michel
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