I was informed the minister of labor was a woman, am I wrong ? I copy a greek friend for confirmation, Michel <<Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:25:45 -0800 From: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [Networkedlabour] Another Politics - After Syriza To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" So well said, Anna and the critical, consistently missed point. This is either what is consciously and thus far more easily done, or unconsciously resisted and replayed with the same destructive underlying constructs that defeated it the first time and every other time we were told to "wait" until things were stable, to do this kind of inclusive consciousness, deep-real-change work "then". So in February 2015, we all celebrate a supposedly true and viable long-hoped-for, essential political-economic change from a leftist/Commons perspective (and that's what I truly am hoping it is, too), but there is not one single woman, not one, in Syriza's new cabinet. 100% male leadership! "but changing the general culture of society and social movements is a long and arduous road, taking generations ..." That's not just glacial movement, Michel it's backwards. And even more, a bright red flag about underlying potentially damning constructs that not only alienate so many of us, but worry us because we already know these often are the poisonous seeds of the later failures to achieve any of these ambitious dreams, as they have been so many times before. E.F. Schumacher was absolutely right -- it takes "whole" systems change not partial "bits and pieces change" that ultimately, change little. And understanding what that means, preparing others to understand how important these issues are to that "whole", actually makes those changes easier, not harder. Because including all in the "Commons" when trying to transition to any such reality, only makes "commons sense". Not one woman. That's a hard one to explain... -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
Dear all, In the current Greek government there are 6 on ministerial positions + 1 (the president of the parliament) women; however, none is a minister (Greek government consists of ministers, viceministers and deputy ministers). Vasilis On 5 February 2015 at 08:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
I was informed the minister of labor was a woman, am I wrong ?
I copy a greek friend for confirmation,
Michel
<<Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:25:45 -0800 From: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [Networkedlabour] Another Politics - After Syriza To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
So well said, Anna and the critical, consistently missed point. This is either what is consciously and thus far more easily done, or unconsciously resisted and replayed with the same destructive underlying constructs that defeated it the first time and every other time we were told to "wait" until things were stable, to do this kind of inclusive consciousness, deep-real-change work "then".
So in February 2015, we all celebrate a supposedly true and viable long-hoped-for, essential political-economic change from a leftist/Commons perspective (and that's what I truly am hoping it is, too), but there is not one single woman, not one, in Syriza's new cabinet. 100% male leadership!
"but changing the general culture of society and social movements is a long and arduous road, taking generations ..."
That's not just glacial movement, Michel it's backwards. And even more, a bright red flag about underlying potentially damning constructs that not only alienate so many of us, but worry us because we already know these often are the poisonous seeds of the later failures to achieve any of these ambitious dreams, as they have been so many times before.
E.F. Schumacher was absolutely right -- it takes "whole" systems change not partial "bits and pieces change" that ultimately, change little. And understanding what that means, preparing others to understand how important these issues are to that "whole", actually makes those changes easier, not harder. Because including all in the "Commons" when trying to transition to any such reality, only makes "commons sense".
Not one woman. That's a hard one to explain...
-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
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-- Dr. Vasilis Kostakis Senior Research Fellow Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance Research Director P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
thanks for the confirmation, what about the ministry of labor, rana something ? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Vasilis Kostakis <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear all,
In the current Greek government there are 6 on ministerial positions + 1 (the president of the parliament) women; however, none is a minister (Greek government consists of ministers, viceministers and deputy ministers).
Vasilis
On 5 February 2015 at 08:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
I was informed the minister of labor was a woman, am I wrong ?
I copy a greek friend for confirmation,
Michel
<<Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:25:45 -0800 From: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [Networkedlabour] Another Politics - After Syriza To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
So well said, Anna and the critical, consistently missed point. This is either what is consciously and thus far more easily done, or unconsciously resisted and replayed with the same destructive underlying constructs that defeated it the first time and every other time we were told to "wait" until things were stable, to do this kind of inclusive consciousness, deep-real-change work "then".
So in February 2015, we all celebrate a supposedly true and viable long-hoped-for, essential political-economic change from a leftist/Commons perspective (and that's what I truly am hoping it is, too), but there is not one single woman, not one, in Syriza's new cabinet. 100% male leadership!
"but changing the general culture of society and social movements is a long and arduous road, taking generations ..."
That's not just glacial movement, Michel it's backwards. And even more, a bright red flag about underlying potentially damning constructs that not only alienate so many of us, but worry us because we already know these often are the poisonous seeds of the later failures to achieve any of these ambitious dreams, as they have been so many times before.
E.F. Schumacher was absolutely right -- it takes "whole" systems change not partial "bits and pieces change" that ultimately, change little. And understanding what that means, preparing others to understand how important these issues are to that "whole", actually makes those changes easier, not harder. Because including all in the "Commons" when trying to transition to any such reality, only makes "commons sense".
Not one woman. That's a hard one to explain...
-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
-- Dr. Vasilis Kostakis
Senior Research Fellow Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance
Research Director P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
The minister is male and the two deputy ministers female. v. On 5 February 2015 at 11:01, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
thanks for the confirmation, what about the ministry of labor, rana something ?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Vasilis Kostakis <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear all,
In the current Greek government there are 6 on ministerial positions + 1 (the president of the parliament) women; however, none is a minister (Greek government consists of ministers, viceministers and deputy ministers).
Vasilis
On 5 February 2015 at 08:32, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
I was informed the minister of labor was a woman, am I wrong ?
I copy a greek friend for confirmation,
Michel
<<Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:25:45 -0800 From: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [Networkedlabour] Another Politics - After Syriza To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
So well said, Anna and the critical, consistently missed point. This is either what is consciously and thus far more easily done, or unconsciously resisted and replayed with the same destructive underlying constructs that defeated it the first time and every other time we were told to "wait" until things were stable, to do this kind of inclusive consciousness, deep-real-change work "then".
So in February 2015, we all celebrate a supposedly true and viable long-hoped-for, essential political-economic change from a leftist/Commons perspective (and that's what I truly am hoping it is, too), but there is not one single woman, not one, in Syriza's new cabinet. 100% male leadership!
"but changing the general culture of society and social movements is a long and arduous road, taking generations ..."
That's not just glacial movement, Michel it's backwards. And even more, a bright red flag about underlying potentially damning constructs that not only alienate so many of us, but worry us because we already know these often are the poisonous seeds of the later failures to achieve any of these ambitious dreams, as they have been so many times before.
E.F. Schumacher was absolutely right -- it takes "whole" systems change not partial "bits and pieces change" that ultimately, change little. And understanding what that means, preparing others to understand how important these issues are to that "whole", actually makes those changes easier, not harder. Because including all in the "Commons" when trying to transition to any such reality, only makes "commons sense".
Not one woman. That's a hard one to explain...
-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
-- Dr. Vasilis Kostakis
Senior Research Fellow Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance
Research Director P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
<http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
#82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
-- Dr. Vasilis Kostakis Senior Research Fellow Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance Research Director P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
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