Glad to hear your assessment Kevin, though I have certainlly seen examples of what Micha says here, here's an analysis of a Black Marxist: https://blackagendareport.com/are-intersectionalism-or-afro-pessimism-paths-... On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:00 PM, < [email protected]> wrote:

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1. Re: challenging the identiarian agenda (Kevin Carson)

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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:17:51 -0500 From: Kevin Carson <[email protected]> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] challenging the identiarian agenda Message-ID: <CANETeExbcxr9RjVKWStjPQUjFytaeToE808AwY+DpLtiZ3bk2A@mail. gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

IMO there's a lot of straw here -- from what I've seen in my encounters with a whole lot of different left tendencies on social media, pure "identitarianism" is relatively minor. The overwhelming majority of those fighting for racial and gender justice are thoroughly intersectionalist, reject a focus on racial and gender identity at the expense of class, and see racial and gender oppression mutually interacting with and reinforcing class oppression and serving the interests of capital. To the extent that anyone in the real world elevates "identity politics" over economics and class, it's center-left establishment interests like supporters of Clinton. Intersectional theory was actually invented to counter the pure identitarian movements of the 1970s (like Second Wave feminism).

And if there's anything that's guaranteed to set off the "mansplaining" radar of women and POC and actively alienate them, it's an article by a white guy trying to explain that structural racism and patriarchy are really not all that bad.

In short, this article is an attempt to "fix" something that mostly doesn't exist outside the imaginations of brocialists like Freddie DeBoer, and it will be incredibly counter-productive in its effects. If anything, creating a dichotomy between identity and class will directly serve the interests of capital by creating new racial and gender tensions in the economic justice movement and making it easier, not harder, to fissure economic and class justice movements along racial and gender lines.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:33 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:

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I recommend reading this important essay by Micha Narberhaus, I would also like to republish on our blog (advocacy is in cc)

See http://smart-csos.org/blog-on-theory-and-practice/ 210-why-we-need-to-switch-the-story

The essay deals with what I consider the serious exagerrations and one-sidedness of the identitarian left, and how it settles on an exclusive narrative based on oppression and discrimation at the detriment of more integrative approaches.

Here is a very thoughtful treatment that aims to create balance in transitional strategies,

Michel