Portugal is awakening to the P2P ethos
Greeting, dear all from Portugal. I know haven't participated in any way in this list yet but the fact is that generally there is not much happening in a true P2P-sense around here for me to contribute anything of relevance to the list. Until yesterday. I thought that my fellow citizens were generally extremely apathetic, individualistic and subservient. But yesterday this changed with the occurence of a mass demonstration against precariousness and unemployment that gathered almost 300,000 people in Lisbon's biggest avenue. Read the Washington Post and Reuters' reports here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031202... http://www.hindustantimes.com/Massive-rallies-in-Portugal-as-more-austerity-... Spanish newspapers El País and El Mundo also mentioned the rally: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Decenas/miles/portugueses/manif... http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/12/internacional/1299954717.html Some photos and videos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloco_de_esquerda/sets/72157626125803349/show/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PpsTOqYLA It was fabulous, it was huge! Never in my 35-years of existence in this country ever had I seen something so spontaneous, non-hierarchical, bottom-up and leaderless as this demonstration. Traditionally, all major "civic" events in Portugal have been organized by political parties, unions or the Church with promotional aid by the mainstream media. Not this one. It all emerged from Facebook, in an almost bottom-up fashion. Some left-wing parties have naturally tried to co-opt the movement, associating themselves with the protesters, providing propaganda, etc. But all-in-all it was a unique moment. I sincerely hope this can be the start of something really big, inclusive and participative :) Civil society around here is still very incipient. Since April 25 of 1974, The State has gorged all the economy's resources and now that it is buried in debts, the biggest opposition party wants to privatize everything and sell all the assets that weren't already sold to the huge corporations who have profited from privileged ties with the current ruling government by way of public-private partnerships to fund the construction of numerous highways, bridges or high-speed trains. With the enormous consolidation of the economy that has been going on, no wonder people have no jobs or have to live in perpetual precariousness! And still, there are some critics who dismiss the complains of the protesters, accusing them of lack of self-esteem, spirit of entrepreneurship or even of having chosen a wrong educational path. Sure, there was some recycling of the icons and ideologies of the April Revolution, specifically its communist and marxist roots: "comrades" here and there, lots of complains and no consistent alternatives to present for the future of the society. People still have a very naïve perspective of the State's role. But to sum up: I think this is the right moment to spread the P2P ethos here in Portugal. Leaderless movements like this one are inherently open and syncretic. Thus, they can be partially appropriated by organized institutional agents; however they cannot be totally co-opted by them. Otherwise, they become closed. I estimate that there will be even more massive demonstrations before people realize they will need to organize between themselves in practical terms in their daily lives and not to expect everything from the government. Best, -- Miguel Caetano http://remixtures.com http://twitter.com/remixtures http://friendfeed.com/remixtures https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000686403651
Dear Miguel, this is a heartening message, and I have seen your name around in forwarding material on p2p quite a few times, is it possible to republish your letter here on the p2p blog? Michel On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Miguel Afonso Caetano < [email protected]> wrote:
Greeting, dear all from Portugal. I know haven't participated in any way in this list yet but the fact is that generally there is not much happening in a true P2P-sense around here for me to contribute anything of relevance to the list. Until yesterday. I thought that my fellow citizens were generally extremely apathetic, individualistic and subservient. But yesterday this changed with the occurence of a mass demonstration against precariousness and unemployment that gathered almost 300,000 people in Lisbon's biggest avenue. Read the Washington Post and Reuters' reports here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031202...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Massive-rallies-in-Portugal-as-more-austerity-...
Spanish newspapers El País and El Mundo also mentioned the rally:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Decenas/miles/portugueses/manif... http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/12/internacional/1299954717.html
Some photos and videos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloco_de_esquerda/sets/72157626125803349/show/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PpsTOqYLA
It was fabulous, it was huge! Never in my 35-years of existence in this country ever had I seen something so spontaneous, non-hierarchical, bottom-up and leaderless as this demonstration. Traditionally, all major "civic" events in Portugal have been organized by political parties, unions or the Church with promotional aid by the mainstream media.
Not this one. It all emerged from Facebook, in an almost bottom-up fashion. Some left-wing parties have naturally tried to co-opt the movement, associating themselves with the protesters, providing propaganda, etc. But all-in-all it was a unique moment. I sincerely hope this can be the start of something really big, inclusive and participative :) Civil society around here is still very incipient. Since April 25 of 1974, The State has gorged all the economy's resources and now that it is buried in debts, the biggest opposition party wants to privatize everything and sell all the assets that weren't already sold to the huge corporations who have profited from privileged ties with the current ruling government by way of public-private partnerships to fund the construction of numerous highways, bridges or high-speed trains. With the enormous consolidation of the economy that has been going on, no wonder people have no jobs or have to live in perpetual precariousness! And still, there are some critics who dismiss the complains of the protesters, accusing them of lack of self-esteem, spirit of entrepreneurship or even of having chosen a wrong educational path.
Sure, there was some recycling of the icons and ideologies of the April Revolution, specifically its communist and marxist roots: "comrades" here and there, lots of complains and no consistent alternatives to present for the future of the society. People still have a very naïve perspective of the State's role. But to sum up: I think this is the right moment to spread the P2P ethos here in Portugal. Leaderless movements like this one are inherently open and syncretic. Thus, they can be partially appropriated by organized institutional agents; however they cannot be totally co-opted by them. Otherwise, they become closed. I estimate that there will be even more massive demonstrations before people realize they will need to organize between themselves in practical terms in their daily lives and not to expect everything from the government.
Best,
-- Miguel Caetano
http://remixtures.com http://twitter.com/remixtures http://friendfeed.com/remixtures https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000686403651
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The situation of Portuguese youth and economy are strikingly similar with the situation in Greece. Riots in Athens in December 2008 were the first mass mobilization of precarious educated young people. Although the recent decisions of the EU summit postponed the bankruptcy of the country, the economic receipt is not leading anywhere except from partly rescuing the establishment. As in Portugal precarious youth and unemployed are expected to lead any true reaction. George ???? 14/03/2011 04:05 ??, ?/? Michel Bauwens ??????:
Dear Miguel,
this is a heartening message, and I have seen your name around in forwarding material on p2p quite a few times,
is it possible to republish your letter here on the p2p blog?
Michel
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Miguel Afonso Caetano <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Greeting, dear all from Portugal. I know haven't participated in any way in this list yet but the fact is that generally there is not much happening in a true P2P-sense around here for me to contribute anything of relevance to the list. Until yesterday. I thought that my fellow citizens were generally extremely apathetic, individualistic and subservient. But yesterday this changed with the occurence of a mass demonstration against precariousness and unemployment that gathered almost 300,000 people in Lisbon's biggest avenue. Read the Washington Post and Reuters' reports here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031202... http://www.hindustantimes.com/Massive-rallies-in-Portugal-as-more-austerity-...
Spanish newspapers El País and El Mundo also mentioned the rally:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Decenas/miles/portugueses/manif... http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/12/internacional/1299954717.html
Some photos and videos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloco_de_esquerda/sets/72157626125803349/show/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PpsTOqYLA
It was fabulous, it was huge! Never in my 35-years of existence in this country ever had I seen something so spontaneous, non-hierarchical, bottom-up and leaderless as this demonstration. Traditionally, all major "civic" events in Portugal have been organized by political parties, unions or the Church with promotional aid by the mainstream media.
Not this one. It all emerged from Facebook, in an almost bottom-up fashion. Some left-wing parties have naturally tried to co-opt the movement, associating themselves with the protesters, providing propaganda, etc. But all-in-all it was a unique moment. I sincerely hope this can be the start of something really big, inclusive and participative :) Civil society around here is still very incipient. Since April 25 of 1974, The State has gorged all the economy's resources and now that it is buried in debts, the biggest opposition party wants to privatize everything and sell all the assets that weren't already sold to the huge corporations who have profited from privileged ties with the current ruling government by way of public-private partnerships to fund the construction of numerous highways, bridges or high-speed trains. With the enormous consolidation of the economy that has been going on, no wonder people have no jobs or have to live in perpetual precariousness! And still, there are some critics who dismiss the complains of the protesters, accusing them of lack of self-esteem, spirit of entrepreneurship or even of having chosen a wrong educational path.
Sure, there was some recycling of the icons and ideologies of the April Revolution, specifically its communist and marxist roots: "comrades" here and there, lots of complains and no consistent alternatives to present for the future of the society. People still have a very naïve perspective of the State's role. But to sum up: I think this is the right moment to spread the P2P ethos here in Portugal. Leaderless movements like this one are inherently open and syncretic. Thus, they can be partially appropriated by organized institutional agents; however they cannot be totally co-opted by them. Otherwise, they become closed. I estimate that there will be even more massive demonstrations before people realize they will need to organize between themselves in practical terms in their daily lives and not to expect everything from the government.
Best,
-- Miguel Caetano
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similarly in egypt and tunisia, it's the youth that has been leading the movements for transformation, but of course, the sociological dynamics are different since the middle east has a youth bulge and europe has an elder bulge ... See Samir Amin on this aspect, http://www.newsclick.in/node/2012 I have a new tag to keep track: http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Revolution On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM, George Papanikolaou <[email protected]
wrote:
The situation of Portuguese youth and economy are strikingly similar with the situation in Greece. Riots in Athens in December 2008 were the first mass mobilization of precarious educated young people. Although the recent decisions of the EU summit postponed the bankruptcy of the country, the economic receipt is not leading anywhere except from partly rescuing the establishment. As in Portugal precarious youth and unemployed are expected to lead any true reaction.
George
Στις 14/03/2011 04:05 πμ, ο/η Michel Bauwens έγραψε:
Dear Miguel,
this is a heartening message, and I have seen your name around in forwarding material on p2p quite a few times,
is it possible to republish your letter here on the p2p blog?
Michel
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Miguel Afonso Caetano < [email protected]> wrote:
Greeting, dear all from Portugal. I know haven't participated in any way in this list yet but the fact is that generally there is not much happening in a true P2P-sense around here for me to contribute anything of relevance to the list. Until yesterday. I thought that my fellow citizens were generally extremely apathetic, individualistic and subservient. But yesterday this changed with the occurence of a mass demonstration against precariousness and unemployment that gathered almost 300,000 people in Lisbon's biggest avenue. Read the Washington Post and Reuters' reports here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031202...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Massive-rallies-in-Portugal-as-more-austerity-...
Spanish newspapers El País and El Mundo also mentioned the rally:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Decenas/miles/portugueses/manif... http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/12/internacional/1299954717.html
Some photos and videos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloco_de_esquerda/sets/72157626125803349/show/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PpsTOqYLA
It was fabulous, it was huge! Never in my 35-years of existence in this country ever had I seen something so spontaneous, non-hierarchical, bottom-up and leaderless as this demonstration. Traditionally, all major "civic" events in Portugal have been organized by political parties, unions or the Church with promotional aid by the mainstream media.
Not this one. It all emerged from Facebook, in an almost bottom-up fashion. Some left-wing parties have naturally tried to co-opt the movement, associating themselves with the protesters, providing propaganda, etc. But all-in-all it was a unique moment. I sincerely hope this can be the start of something really big, inclusive and participative :) Civil society around here is still very incipient. Since April 25 of 1974, The State has gorged all the economy's resources and now that it is buried in debts, the biggest opposition party wants to privatize everything and sell all the assets that weren't already sold to the huge corporations who have profited from privileged ties with the current ruling government by way of public-private partnerships to fund the construction of numerous highways, bridges or high-speed trains. With the enormous consolidation of the economy that has been going on, no wonder people have no jobs or have to live in perpetual precariousness! And still, there are some critics who dismiss the complains of the protesters, accusing them of lack of self-esteem, spirit of entrepreneurship or even of having chosen a wrong educational path.
Sure, there was some recycling of the icons and ideologies of the April Revolution, specifically its communist and marxist roots: "comrades" here and there, lots of complains and no consistent alternatives to present for the future of the society. People still have a very naïve perspective of the State's role. But to sum up: I think this is the right moment to spread the P2P ethos here in Portugal. Leaderless movements like this one are inherently open and syncretic. Thus, they can be partially appropriated by organized institutional agents; however they cannot be totally co-opted by them. Otherwise, they become closed. I estimate that there will be even more massive demonstrations before people realize they will need to organize between themselves in practical terms in their daily lives and not to expect everything from the government.
Best,
-- Miguel Caetano
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That is great news from Portugal, and your bookmarks on revelution is quite a help Michel, thnkas a lot. greetings Quoting Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
similarly in egypt and tunisia, it's the youth that has been leading the movements for transformation, but of course, the sociological dynamics are different since the middle east has a youth bulge and europe has an elder bulge ...
See Samir Amin on this aspect, http://www.newsclick.in/node/2012
I have a new tag to keep track: http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Revolution
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM, George Papanikolaou <[email protected]
wrote:
The situation of Portuguese youth and economy are strikingly similar with the situation in Greece. Riots in Athens in December 2008 were the first mass mobilization of precarious educated young people. Although the recent decisions of the EU summit postponed the bankruptcy of the country, the economic receipt is not leading anywhere except from partly rescuing the establishment. As in Portugal precarious youth and unemployed are expected to lead any true reaction.
George
???? 14/03/2011 04:05 ??, ?/? Michel Bauwens ??????:
Dear Miguel,
this is a heartening message, and I have seen your name around in forwarding material on p2p quite a few times,
is it possible to republish your letter here on the p2p blog?
Michel
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Miguel Afonso Caetano < [email protected]> wrote:
Greeting, dear all from Portugal. I know haven't participated in any way in this list yet but the fact is that generally there is not much happening in a true P2P-sense around here for me to contribute anything of relevance to the list. Until yesterday. I thought that my fellow citizens were generally extremely apathetic, individualistic and subservient. But yesterday this changed with the occurence of a mass demonstration against precariousness and unemployment that gathered almost 300,000 people in Lisbon's biggest avenue. Read the Washington Post and Reuters' reports here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031202...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Massive-rallies-in-Portugal-as-more-austerity-...
Spanish newspapers El País and El Mundo also mentioned the rally:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Decenas/miles/portugueses/manif... http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/12/internacional/1299954717.html
Some photos and videos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloco_de_esquerda/sets/72157626125803349/show/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PpsTOqYLA
It was fabulous, it was huge! Never in my 35-years of existence in this country ever had I seen something so spontaneous, non-hierarchical, bottom-up and leaderless as this demonstration. Traditionally, all major "civic" events in Portugal have been organized by political parties, unions or the Church with promotional aid by the mainstream media.
Not this one. It all emerged from Facebook, in an almost bottom-up fashion. Some left-wing parties have naturally tried to co-opt the movement, associating themselves with the protesters, providing propaganda, etc. But all-in-all it was a unique moment. I sincerely hope this can be the start of something really big, inclusive and participative :) Civil society around here is still very incipient. Since April 25 of 1974, The State has gorged all the economy's resources and now that it is buried in debts, the biggest opposition party wants to privatize everything and sell all the assets that weren't already sold to the huge corporations who have profited from privileged ties with the current ruling government by way of public-private partnerships to fund the construction of numerous highways, bridges or high-speed trains. With the enormous consolidation of the economy that has been going on, no wonder people have no jobs or have to live in perpetual precariousness! And still, there are some critics who dismiss the complains of the protesters, accusing them of lack of self-esteem, spirit of entrepreneurship or even of having chosen a wrong educational path.
Sure, there was some recycling of the icons and ideologies of the April Revolution, specifically its communist and marxist roots: "comrades" here and there, lots of complains and no consistent alternatives to present for the future of the society. People still have a very naïve perspective of the State's role. But to sum up: I think this is the right moment to spread the P2P ethos here in Portugal. Leaderless movements like this one are inherently open and syncretic. Thus, they can be partially appropriated by organized institutional agents; however they cannot be totally co-opted by them. Otherwise, they become closed. I estimate that there will be even more massive demonstrations before people realize they will need to organize between themselves in practical terms in their daily lives and not to expect everything from the government.
Best,
-- Miguel Caetano
http://remixtures.com http://twitter.com/remixtures http://friendfeed.com/remixtures https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000686403651
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Why not in Spain? The situation is quite similar. Riots, social dissatisfaction, not creative solutions from the traditional Systems (political parties, trade Unions, etc.), apathy, young people just complaining. What is the point of no return? ----- Original Message ----- From: George Papanikolaou To: Michel Bauwens Cc: P2P Foundation mailing list ; [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Portugal is awakening to the P2P ethos The situation of Portuguese youth and economy are strikingly similar with the situation in Greece. Riots in Athens in December 2008 were the first mass mobilization of precarious educated young people. Although the recent decisions of the EU summit postponed the bankruptcy of the country, the economic receipt is not leading anywhere except from partly rescuing the establishment. As in Portugal precarious youth and unemployed are expected to lead any true reaction. George ???? 14/03/2011 04:05 ??, ?/? Michel Bauwens ??????: Dear Miguel, this is a heartening message, and I have seen your name around in forwarding material on p2p quite a few times, is it possible to republish your letter here on the p2p blog? Michel On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Miguel Afonso Caetano <[email protected]> wrote: Greeting, dear all from Portugal. I know haven't participated in any way in this list yet but the fact is that generally there is not much happening in a true P2P-sense around here for me to contribute anything of relevance to the list. Until yesterday. I thought that my fellow citizens were generally extremely apathetic, individualistic and subservient. But yesterday this changed with the occurence of a mass demonstration against precariousness and unemployment that gathered almost 300,000 people in Lisbon's biggest avenue. Read the Washington Post and Reuters' reports here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031202... http://www.hindustantimes.com/Massive-rallies-in-Portugal-as-more-austerity-... Spanish newspapers El País and El Mundo also mentioned the rally: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Decenas/miles/portugueses/manif... http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/12/internacional/1299954717.html Some photos and videos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloco_de_esquerda/sets/72157626125803349/show/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PpsTOqYLA It was fabulous, it was huge! Never in my 35-years of existence in this country ever had I seen something so spontaneous, non-hierarchical, bottom-up and leaderless as this demonstration. Traditionally, all major "civic" events in Portugal have been organized by political parties, unions or the Church with promotional aid by the mainstream media. Not this one. It all emerged from Facebook, in an almost bottom-up fashion. Some left-wing parties have naturally tried to co-opt the movement, associating themselves with the protesters, providing propaganda, etc. But all-in-all it was a unique moment. I sincerely hope this can be the start of something really big, inclusive and participative :) Civil society around here is still very incipient. Since April 25 of 1974, The State has gorged all the economy's resources and now that it is buried in debts, the biggest opposition party wants to privatize everything and sell all the assets that weren't already sold to the huge corporations who have profited from privileged ties with the current ruling government by way of public-private partnerships to fund the construction of numerous highways, bridges or high-speed trains. With the enormous consolidation of the economy that has been going on, no wonder people have no jobs or have to live in perpetual precariousness! And still, there are some critics who dismiss the complains of the protesters, accusing them of lack of self-esteem, spirit of entrepreneurship or even of having chosen a wrong educational path. Sure, there was some recycling of the icons and ideologies of the April Revolution, specifically its communist and marxist roots: "comrades" here and there, lots of complains and no consistent alternatives to present for the future of the society. People still have a very naïve perspective of the State's role. But to sum up: I think this is the right moment to spread the P2P ethos here in Portugal. Leaderless movements like this one are inherently open and syncretic. Thus, they can be partially appropriated by organized institutional agents; however they cannot be totally co-opted by them. Otherwise, they become closed. I estimate that there will be even more massive demonstrations before people realize they will need to organize between themselves in practical terms in their daily lives and not to expect everything from the government. Best, -- Miguel Caetano http://remixtures.com http://twitter.com/remixtures http://friendfeed.com/remixtures https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000686403651 _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
2011/3/14 Pedro Gioya <[email protected]>:
Why not in Spain? The situation is quite similar. Riots, social dissatisfaction, not creative solutions from the traditional Systems (political parties, trade Unions, etc.), apathy, young people just complaining. What is the point of no return?
Well, that was the point Spanish blogger Enrique Dans made yesterday on a posthttp://www.enriquedans.com/2011/03/geracao-a-rasca-portugal-despierta.html. He tried to send the message that youth in there is wasting its time drinking booze in the streets while down here we have started to do something by our means. But personally I don't agree very much with that reading because Spain has a precedent in the 13-M demonstration in Madrid against Aznar's government, two days after the Atocha bombings in Madrid (March 11, 2004). It is generally considered the first big rally convoked via SMS, in a truly flashmob-style. And it was effective in the way that PP (the current ruling party at the time) lost the day after's elections to PSOE (the Socialist Party). So, I think there isn't any reason for something like that - but this time even more outside parliamentary politics - to happen again in Spain :) Best,
----- Original Message ----- From: George Papanikolaou To: Michel Bauwens Cc: P2P Foundation mailing list ; [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Portugal is awakening to the P2P ethos The situation of Portuguese youth and economy are strikingly similar with the situation in Greece. Riots in Athens in December 2008 were the first mass mobilization of precarious educated young people. Although the recent decisions of the EU summit postponed the bankruptcy of the country, the economic receipt is not leading anywhere except from partly rescuing the establishment. As in Portugal precarious youth and unemployed are expected to lead any true reaction.
George
Στις 14/03/2011 04:05 πμ, ο/η Michel Bauwens έγραψε:
Dear Miguel,
this is a heartening message, and I have seen your name around in forwarding material on p2p quite a few times,
is it possible to republish your letter here on the p2p blog?
Michel
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Miguel Afonso Caetano <[email protected]> wrote:
Greeting, dear all from Portugal. I know haven't participated in any way in this list yet but the fact is that generally there is not much happening in a true P2P-sense around here for me to contribute anything of relevance to the list. Until yesterday. I thought that my fellow citizens were generally extremely apathetic, individualistic and subservient. But yesterday this changed with the occurence of a mass demonstration against precariousness and unemployment that gathered almost 300,000 people in Lisbon's biggest avenue. Read the Washington Post and Reuters' reports here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031202...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Massive-rallies-in-Portugal-as-more-austerity-...
Spanish newspapers El País and El Mundo also mentioned the rally:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Decenas/miles/portugueses/manif... http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/12/internacional/1299954717.html
Some photos and videos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bloco_de_esquerda/sets/72157626125803349/show/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PpsTOqYLA
It was fabulous, it was huge! Never in my 35-years of existence in this country ever had I seen something so spontaneous, non-hierarchical, bottom-up and leaderless as this demonstration. Traditionally, all major "civic" events in Portugal have been organized by political parties, unions or the Church with promotional aid by the mainstream media.
Not this one. It all emerged from Facebook, in an almost bottom-up fashion. Some left-wing parties have naturally tried to co-opt the movement, associating themselves with the protesters, providing propaganda, etc. But all-in-all it was a unique moment. I sincerely hope this can be the start of something really big, inclusive and participative :) Civil society around here is still very incipient. Since April 25 of 1974, The State has gorged all the economy's resources and now that it is buried in debts, the biggest opposition party wants to privatize everything and sell all the assets that weren't already sold to the huge corporations who have profited from privileged ties with the current ruling government by way of public-private partnerships to fund the construction of numerous highways, bridges or high-speed trains. With the enormous consolidation of the economy that has been going on, no wonder people have no jobs or have to live in perpetual precariousness! And still, there are some critics who dismiss the complains of the protesters, accusing them of lack of self-esteem, spirit of entrepreneurship or even of having chosen a wrong educational path.
Sure, there was some recycling of the icons and ideologies of the April Revolution, specifically its communist and marxist roots: "comrades" here and there, lots of complains and no consistent alternatives to present for the future of the society. People still have a very naïve perspective of the State's role. But to sum up: I think this is the right moment to spread the P2P ethos here in Portugal. Leaderless movements like this one are inherently open and syncretic. Thus, they can be partially appropriated by organized institutional agents; however they cannot be totally co-opted by them. Otherwise, they become closed. I estimate that there will be even more massive demonstrations before people realize they will need to organize between themselves in practical terms in their daily lives and not to expect everything from the government.
Best,
-- Miguel Caetano
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participants (5)
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George Papanikolaou -
Michel Bauwens -
Miguel Afonso Caetano -
orsan＠tie-netherlands.nl -
Pedro Gioya