thanks Matthew, I tweeted/facebooked your article! "When a project takes on venture capital or sells shares, it becomes obliged to maximise the returns on investment, which means a national, or city by city marketing campaign, in hope of establishing monopoly. The progressive intentions of the founders of Nextdoor<https://nextdoor.com/about_us/>to build community are utterly incidental to the imperatives imposed by capital. Until a monopoly emerges, the usual venture capital model of building a technology - trying to build the biggest silo, is actually counter to the stated aims of these community building sites. And once the monopoly is established and the alternatives diminished, the users can do little to prevent abuses." On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Matthew Slater <[email protected]> wrote:
Michel I've expanded my last blogpost here, 'tis much improved http://matslats.net/global-local-capitalism
and the slightly less litigous version is on Shareable http://www.shareable.net/blog/capitalism-cant-build-community-web-services
It does end up in a more self promoting manner, but I make no apologies for that. Not sure what you meant - 'publishable as a blog proposal'. Anyhow, use it if and how you want.
Matthew
On 28 October 2011 22:01, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
good idea, and publishable as blog proposal, though I don't think the title reflects the content too well,
Michel
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Matthew Slater <[email protected]>wrote:
Neil, Mark, Michel, Anybody want to comment on this? http://matslats.net/global-local-capitalism I feel it is a little short, still And then is it publishable? Matthew
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Matthew Slats wrote: When a project takes on venture capital or sells shares, it becomes obliged to maximise the returns on investment
There is a solution to this conundrum. We can for invest for Product instead of Profit. But only Users can accept Product as ROI, so the Users would crowd-fund the operation by pre-paying for the service with the Product being their return. This way, we don't even *sell* the Product at all, because instead of buying the Product back from their collectives 'self', they *already* own it - as a result of their co-owning the Sources of that Product. Notice, since there is no sale, Price and Cost are the same, and so Profit is UNDEFINED. This is obvious for single-ownership. For example, you only pay the real costs for operating a network in your own home. But we, as groups of Users, can do this on a larger scale to avoid the unpleasant side-effects of seeking to perpetuate Profit. Sincerely, Patrick Anderson http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com
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