On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Silke Helfrich <silke.helfrich@gmx.de> wrote:
Dear all,
just a short note:
Once the new university-like "institution" I was talking about is running ("classes" start by early January 2014, and I hope official recognition is underway) I'll post some more information via this list.
There is a huge need to show that also our educational systems can be remodeled as commons; and the good thing is, this is nothing new at all, we can learn from practices worldwide.
May be at some point we should think about putting all this experience together and discussing it in depth!
For me -for instance - the zapatistas approach is extremely inspiring (but different from what we also need to do here in Germany); or the campesino a campesino programms all over the world - so how to get this into higher education in countries like mine?
Perhaps sbd want's to start collecting these experiences (EDUCATION AS COMMONING) on the P2P website?
Very best
Silke
Am 18.12.2013 06:54, schrieb davste@spektral.at:
are we rather talking about *non-monopolistic commons based markets *?Hi
I just get home from big student protests after the new austrian
government abrogated the 'ministry of science and research". It's now
part of the 'ministry for economy'.
I am also quite interested in the free university projects going on. My
overall interest is in co-operative learning not only within the
academic sphere but outside of the university, also
academic-and-non-academic learning together.
Since we are trying out a kind of 'free and open university' project in
Graz I am facing many questions.
There're concerning:
* learning from (urban) commons projects.
* How can we use the city as resource? How can we participate in urban
development to create a city for our needs? (Since german commons
summerschool with silke I am thinking of how to 'activate' people in
participating in urban development. This can also be seen as a kind of
strategy against enclosure of urban commons)
* the integration of people of different social groups (e.g. academic
and non-academic, from different cultures/countries) and of different
age for learning practices, also research and working on solutions in
one's everyday life.
Our project in Graz is (right now) in the very beginning and we are
still searching for people who have knowledge and experience about
education. So far we are trying out different things: skill sharing,
using online courses, reading circles and practical stuff. Our first
trial is concerning gardening. Ecology and biology is too theoretical,
so we wanna use the community gardens in Graz. We are trying to include
very different groups and people of different age (starting with
kindergarden, also people in retirement).
Best
David
Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting Silke.
Feels already closer to a "Cooperative of Learners" :)
Is it a face to face real world living space you imagine ?
I am interested in projects that could happen in Germany.
How big would you imagine to start off ?
Can it build on something existing ?
Some existing faculties ? Possibly a continuation of a program, to
start with ?
If so, which ones would be interested , as to help learned to bring
research and projects further into life, beyond conventional Phd's ?
And feeding a commons ?
Could it be in collaboration with existing "Open Universities", or
platforms such as Gaia University ? http://www.gaiauniversity.org/
Somehow, what you suggest, with support to the learners / students
costs, reminds me also of the Steiner backed Youth Initiative
Program http://yip.se/
( if not already in touch, I ll gladly support with networking )
I somehow imagine it like small co-living / co-learning spaces,
which could be networked within one same area.
I also remember vaguely ( do not remember the references )
some project in Berlin which focused on networking various places (
including work spaces ? ) open to sharing learning ?
///
Is there any convergence space online where it is already possible
to stay updated in relation to the vision you express ?
If not in the short term, for whenever there is a more specific
definition of such vision ?
Just stumbled on this mail and links , which are likely common
knowledge to most people on this list ? :
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/op-n-m/NaFQsXmBU4k
Note : or instead of an opposition between a limited capitalist
market Vs commons,
*Markets in the form of available information with a variety of
criteria* - not only based on price in terms of monopolist tokens ?*Market* *Commons*
http://p2pfoundation.net/Logic_of_the_Market_versus_the_Logic_of_the_Commons
http://commonsblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/the-commons-year-one-of-the-global-commons-movement/
also reminds me of Festivalism
http://p2pfoundation.net/Festivalism
http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/papers/Festivalism_at_Work.html
also see Kevin Carson's :
http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/contents/
The Table
The Logic of the Market versus the Logic of the Commons
*Focus**Core beliefs* Scarcity Plenty
What can I sell?Exchange value
What do we need?Use value
Homo oeconomicus Homo cooperans
It's about resources (allocation)/./ It's about us.
*Governance* Market-State Polycentric / Peer-to-Peer Governance*Social relationships* Centralization of power (monopoly)
Decision making hierarchical horizontal
Command (Power, Law, Violence) Consensus, Free Cooperation,
self-organization*Dominant strategy* Out-compete Out-cooperate
Decentralization of power(autonomy)
Property Possession
Access to rival resources Limited by boundaries & rules defined by
owner Limited by boundaries & rules defined by usergroups
Access to nonrival resources Made scarce (to ensure profitability)
Open access (to ensure social equity)
Use rights Granted by owner Co-decided by user groups
*Results** Source: The Commons: Year One of the Global Commons Movement by
For the resources
ErosionEnclosure
Conservation Reproduction & Multiplication
For the people Exlusion & Participation Inclusion & Emancipation
<http://commonsblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/the-commons-year-one-of-the-global-commons-movement/>
Silke Helfrich (29. Januar 2011)
http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/papers/Festivalism_at_Work.html
**
*Table One: Spectacle and Festival*
*Spectacle*
**
*Festival*
1. Work
2. Work or play time
3. Imposed patterns of behavior
4. Dead time
5. Religions of consumption
6. Pseudo desires
7. Pseudo needs
8. Loss of Self
9. Colonized spaces
10. Spectator
11. Functionary
12. Survival of the Fittest/Richest
1. Play
2. Work and play
3. Freely constructed behavior
4. Live time
5. Self
6. Transparent desires
7. Transparent needs
8. Self-Management
9. Free spaces
10. Participant/Co-designer
11. Self-Managed
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http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Business_Models
http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Economics#Towards_an_Ethical_Economy:
Towards an Ethical Economy
* *The Ethical Economy <http://p2pfoundation.net/Ethical_Economy>.<http://p2pfoundation.net/Adam_Arvidsson> and Nicolai Peitersen.
Rebuilding Value After the Crisis. By Adam Arvidsson
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Silke Helfrich<mailto:mp@aktivix.org>> wrote:<silke.helfrich@gmx.de <mailto:silke.helfrich@gmx.de>> wrote:
Dear John
I very much agree with you and am therefor happy to participate
in a new attempt to open a University in Germany which is based
on exactly the ideas you mention:
Students won't only pay (hopefully money the get as a gift from
somewhere/ that is what we try to organize - there has to be
gift-money in education), they also will receive the money, that
is they will - as a students organization - manage the fees by
themselves which to some extend will be the most important
infrastructure of the University. (I say "to some extend"
because there are still some rules to fit into the current
system to get the title of a University) .
The concept is so consequent to say: "and if the students don't
need the University anymore, the University should close". As
you said: education is relational.
Very best
Silke
Am 16.12.2013 15:22, schrieb John:
Dear Folks,
There is nothing inherently wrong with paying someone for a
service they
provide to you. Indeed, one of the absurdities of the present
educational set up is precisely that students have so little
say in the
educational services they pay for. There was a time when some
universities were operated as student-run educational
co-operatives in
which students subjected the professors that they were going
to hire to
scrupulous cross examination before approving their positions as
educational service providers to the student body. This was
the case at
the University of Bologna until quite recently.
So, one angle of approach is for students to have far more
control over
the selection of faculty, over the design and evaluation of
courses, and
of the running of the university itself – in partnership
with the
teachers themselves and other community stakeholders.
Education is a classic /relational good/, that is, a good
that is
co-produced by the provider and the recipient of the service
/together/. Education doesn't happen unless /both/ parties
are fully
engaged in the exchange of knowledge relations, and it is
optimally
produced when the educational relationship is one of
reciprocity and
equality. This is the reason why authentic education is not
a commodity
– it is an exchange of human relations and revolves around
the question
of the nature of knowledge production.
The creation of equality, of reciprocal educational
relationships, and
the provision of control rights to students is the heart of how
educational institutions need to be reformed. Unless this
happens,
everything else is a sideshow and a distraction.
John
On 13-12-16 4:49 AM, Joss Winn wrote:
On 16/12/2013 09:13, "mp"<mp@aktivix.org
On 15/12/13 19:03,anna@shsh.co.uk
<mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk> wrote:
I certainly don't want to criticise the idea of
a cooperative
university and all the work you are doing at the
SSC. However the
fundamental distinction between students and
teachers is that the
former have to pay and the latter get paid.
Is that what they call capitalism? Social relations
revolving around a
commodity form, in this case "education" as the
commodity? Giving
structure to a hierarchy, where there are experts
(controlling the means
of (knowledge) production) and followers (consuming
the produced
knowledge commodities, if they can afford it)?
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