from failure to sucess
imagine for a second a world running on social value points.
You are born into an area of not much to do.There must be something to do to have something you "earn" your
amount of social value points on.Like your in an area where you just can participate in local maintance things, you could decide to raise your knowledge and level up in certain topics of knowledge value, like what you do is cleaning streets for some hours a day, you would do more but there isnt more work for you left.The system could still value when you try to become an expert in physics or space-engeneering, most of all measuring the time you spend, and not if you make it deep into circles of actual project oriented work, you may fail tests to level up to get "realtime acess" to a project, while you could also still just listen to things done on higher levels and try to add something directly but like untill you bring up a point of value , you wouldnt be invited to like live-meetings of the most leveled up peers in a subject, there can still be expertise beyond your skill, how fast you level up just gives you a directer acess to interactivity not more value points, and value points at the end offer you great prices, like
spacetravel, spacetravel is costy for the environment, but will not always some dream of spacetravel.
If your 6 year old and ask your parents what to do to have a spacetravel, they can now tell you to become an astronaut or make enourmous money, but couldnt it be like , just do a lot for the commons and save your points till you reach enough to change them into a spacetravel, so that like you know if you work 6 hours a day on whatever you want and not take luxuary will give you that chance at the age of 40, doing 5 maybe at the age of 50 doing 12 would speed things up , and so on, and there still is the chance to level up directly in spacetravel and skill that you might make it a profession itself, you can still become an astronaut but you still have comeptition in for example being health and skilled enough to do a certain task. So you might be handicapped and can not compete with people that specialized to do it as a job, but you can still give the surplus in value you create for example as an artist or just watching and reporting about the environment or even just cleaning streets to fullfill that dream. Open and fair everything like, and wouldnt on the other hand catastrophies offer the chance to make a lot value points, if not much can be done in the place you are, you would like to maybe swarm there to have an opportunity to get a lot points with very basic acts, especially when acts are a bit more valueable then thoughts maybe, just you have to earn or find the chances to act within your skills, or if they equal, if your just more skilled in acting and dislike thinking and working on the computer itself. You may decide to move to areas with many problems because they are in need of what you like to offer.
You would have clear expectations. We all radically change our lives anyway, but we often loose our dreams because from a certain point we see we will not fullfill them anyway, but wouldnt it be nice when you can just adjust that anytime, like your 30 and still dream of spacetravel, you didnt make it far in space-science, but you earned a lot social value points and didnt spend them for luxuary or holidays or such, you are as close to sucess as you would have been succeeding in space-science and becoming part of the few that actually get to work on a space station.
Maybe you want to spend a lot time with your family, you find other things of importance, theres always that number of value points , so you can say, if my children are adults, i can still focus on doing more hours of "work" and still make it to space, you maybe always have to hope you wont die before you reach it...but thats like a factor we cant change, but there could also always be exceptions from the norm, so like you become ill, and just the fact that your time is running out is accepted as a fact and you can be gifted the spacetravel to make you happy, so that maybe for those that have the most limited possibilitys the most exceptions are made, like you have a small child dreaming of spacetravel, and the world isnt able to help you, you are granted your "once in a lifetime dream" without social value points.
It could also be that on every birthday you get free social value points or even that you can donate them, but the one you donated them to cant pass them over they are bound to the one who got them, like you could life humble and donate them to your kids , but they can only use them for themselves they cant donate them to the next generation for example, so that people that are "famous" or "friendly" or "loved" by many see- hey this is really just for you, go and life on a luxary island for the rest of your life -if you want to.
It could look like that if you like extraordinary tastes you level up in cooking, from a certain point on you can work for large kitchens preparing standart food, but if you level up more , which includes that you learn about exotic tastes, you have to move to areas that are build for people to enjoy luxuary, or where more diverse food is available like, places many people just "hang out" , anyway you always have acess to extraordinary food with not giving social value points because your specialization demands it anyway, and besites that you could just have planned that anyway cause you like cooking and were saving for a spacetravel, you could have stopped at working in large regular food creation and earn enough to make 3 spacetravels, what really would be how we cant know, but maybe we could start guessing if we had more data, and for like spacetravel , it could come out that like hey i was lucky and leveled here and there so i was always busy, i never did specialized work whatsoever but i brought me in and was in space three times, or i worked all my life trying to accelerate and make space travel more efficient and more environment friendly, so a visit to mars would come on the list, it never happend so i donate all my points to my kids, ...maybe i should have at least visited space ones now im to old to do it.
Anyway not taken literally it should point at the idea of that we can redefine sucess, redefine goals, eneable intention based evolvement.
You could decide to go to an area that just offers many people to interact and not much to do to just party most of the time , or hang around drugged enjoying just music and games, but if you stay humble like not go for extraordinary food, you can still take your free income of social points, maybe theres bonuses when you have a round birthday like every ten years comes a larger amount and have a spacetravel just because you didnt know any better way to spend it, or go to a luxuary island for"the rest of your life" then again you may misexpect how old you get , and have to go back to a town and life at standart expense, but you still made it to have a large amount of time in total luxuary. What the world can offer can always be made up from dreams and ideas, maybe its like to life like a king with lots people serving you is a wish for many, others then have to serve on a high level of agreement, but doing that would require them to specialize in it anyway and noone looses because they just play servant for you , liking to play servant, and are good in doing so, so they are the ones that fullfill such special TEMPORARY dreams for their own dreams to come true.
Like everyone can give a neck massage, but at luxuary places or bigger towns the best of the best are available.
They cant be available everywhere, like in a desert area where people that speciazied enough and had the will  are running solar  energy devices there may not be much diversity of services available, but a good standart of the nessecary, and all is equaled up so that you can enjoy special things when you take a time out.
How everything can be where its most useful might look weird from todays way of thinking , but i really think that earth could be great when such would be imagined.
Like, i never wanted to do anything else but building houses, so i had to travel a lot to have the chance to help building houses, i wish there would have been more housebuilding, i was highlevel but left with only 3 hours a day of available work, i HAD to mix that up with other effords to be busy enough to achieve 3 spacetravels in a lifetime.
Now what if people level up on the wrong things always, fail in everything, they could still have that amount of incoming value points....it mostly maybe depends on the standarts of free things you get anyway , and what is "extraordinary" and what is done by the commons as a whole most.
Like if we simply cannot send everyone in space once even if all would just life humble, the specializations would never happen, no luxuary goods would ever be produced, when we would find out all want into space once...but i guess that would never happen anyway, what would you do if you can achieve any dream or any state of being at least temporary, if many would do things for you, because you did things for all.
Like maybe its more that way- when i was young spacetravel was a thing you could only achieve working a lot and being humble for 30 years, now you can achieve that with just your free points when you reach 30.
Afterall given hands and a brain everyone is a multitool for acting.
What if the commons denies your effords other ways, like you are willing and interested in caring for old people, but you fail to be appreciated by them, like you never make it to luxary-old-people resorts as a servant because you are naturally rude, leveling up at certain services may also include people voring on you to like your service, your way of doing neck massages, so you fail at that level, are you still good enough for the standart-treament...that would sort of depend on the need of minimum service, as all old people should be treaten best, but efford is maximized at places that offer the best as a prize to gain for your effords, ..it would depend on how many people "compete" in being given a chance to act as a servant for old people, when only always the "best" are taken, while being available for it or having trained for it would still be a fact and the thing to earn you points. So the failure of choice ...what role would that have , and would and could that be buffered by regulating needs.
Would we maybe find out we would all level and comepete in "work" everyone likes , and have the nessecary work done by unskilled people, sort of as a burden? -who controls the standarts, and wouldnt there be limits anyway, like you cant spend 15 hours treating old people, when you do the job tired and not very well, only because you want more points for your spacetravels,but maybe there can be limits on everything, and just social points  for free, and all you can gain is the chance to act anyway, with failure being of no matter in the value you have to spend on irregular things.
Would we compete for having the chance to work in a proffession, is there motivation to work on yourself just to be good enough to care for old people, when afterall working for old people isnt a "great" thing. You once said , hey i could do that , but then find out you hate it, and people feel that and dont want you.....
Can we regulate what people can achieve, when theres always some work noone really enjoys, when work is rare- and still have fairness and equality and people doing the nessecary. Can we regulate how many work for certain things without giving them "more" for their time, when what they would want to do is already oversaturated with volunteers, how would we assure basic quality of simple tasks?
Like is it even thinkable that a highly leveled up doctor just has 3 hours he can work in his proffession, and does 3 hours toilet cleaning to reach the max of 6 hours work that is allowed, also spending another 3 hours in voluntary learing to level up more , so that he then reaches a speciaziation he is eneabled to work 6 hours in the highest group of skill,where there is still work available, a demand for doing things, at the places the best come together to cure the hardest cases, and people with the hardest problems naturally are brought to such hubs, while a lot doctors are available for standart treatment in every town for example that each of them just gets offered 3 hours work.
You would have to not only earn the right to do the work you like, but also decide if you want to move and life in an area where a hub of medical specialization is reached....and how whould that come together if your wife is specializing towards a totally different hub.-She could still give up her leveling doing maybe just nothing , there might be no more use for simple tasks around the center where medical skill comes together, not even toilet cleaning, how would she achieve her value points for acting.
That also always depends on if theres virtual work to do on computers , so that not being present at a hub prevents you from acting but not from participating. I think there could always be offers of such work granting you that you can do 3 hours or 6 hours of useful things nomatter where you are, the nessecary could be devided into simple tasks everyone can do, the standarts always at what is possible, with the kind of offer depending on the needs at that point of time, and noone left without something to do, and in cases of toilet cleaning, if really noone would want to do it it could by that fact and only by that-lots of people available that could do it, but no one who wants it, and noone in need of points, be given more points...saying like its your fault you didnt clean toilets when it was needed.
But never more points for work because its more skilled, like in that case if interested in points, a doctor that only is offered 3 hours of work on his level and at his location, might be interested in cleaning toilets as much as someone who doesnt want to learn anything and just takes drugs all day and still looks for a way to gather some more social value points then those who come for free.
Sucess would be devided into other aspects, thats what i mean by all that crappy talk.
I just think that theres need of acting on all levels of skill, and that success would be measured in many different ways, some of which is granted some of which is worked on directly and some of which is worked on indirectly.
With the possibilitys flexible and all a product of free will on the one hand, and need of the community on the other.
Coming from the idea that you dont need to be skilled so much for many things, and most things should be motivated by subject realted passion, not personal greed and demand for sucess, and that real sucess IS being able to participate in the things done in your lifetime, like its luck and honor that you were able to work directly on creating mars shuttles, because you were among the best available and wanted for the project, and gave up other things like walking in the nature or be with your family to be part of it.
So that actually MOST dont do stuff for the points, while its always an option to look where/how you can make just points.
People themselves would still have to balance things....desasters like hurricanes giving you a chance to swarm there and have 12 hours to do something, if you can and want to spend that time, and there maybe isnt enough others willing it that the transport of you from where you are is actually efficient and manageable.
Like you could say i would do that but you are not invited because you are on the other side of earth and there is no lack of people, on the other hand you may be choosen because theres not enough people closer then you...it would all mix up somehow, also depending on the buffer times like when you know that there will be need at a certain point of time in the future, some may be measured fast some slower, waiting lists to get some extra points in cleaning a local area, but in case of people missing, fast to decide opprotunityys resulting from miscalculation, in a sense of there where plenty of volunteers for cleanig the street, we took the "best" (in this case best is pretty stupid), but 3 of them are sick or just didnt came, who on the list, or who "just available closely" would do that?
Its just a fact that for some things you have to learn more, some things you get better by doing them, but theres always just that and that much NEED of it, and some people learn faster or have more talent for a certain thing.
And everyone can come up with an idea by luck as well, just because his unique perspective and mix of thoughts.
Please dont take this literally at all, isnt the basic idea practical and closer to efficiency then just choose a path and fight your way like in our days, still depending on being given opportunitys?
A doctor cleaning streets might still be asked to stop and serve in an accident nearby, where his aid is the "best possible temporary solution"- something supercomputers calculate for every problem that will most likely or is happening at a time.
I mean i didnt and couldnt make up "my" or a complete vision for a system, but the direction how something like that would really look like, no matter if theres motivation coming from really doing things or not, but resulting on the motivation people really need to do things in reality, so it might come out we dont need any value motivation never and all is done great, or we need "some" value motivation , how disharmed or buffered the inequality of possibilitys for everyone can become or not.Like napoleon said talent is nothing without opportunity , and some opportunitys will always be limited, some things will always be nessecary, and it can only be perfectionized up to a certain degree, but a degree that i claim has never really been thought of much in a larger scale, tho it is naturally done by like any tribe that devides actions within the ability of their exsisting"peers" .
I dont know if that thinking is any useful at all, i only feel we could do the math for it better and better with such a thing as collective intelligence and awareness. Its farout and thats why i dont wanna spam the mailing list, i guess a lot i said is totally bullshit from a certain perspective, and interesting from another and i just dont know how reality is really coming together because of the lack of collective awareness.
There is how many- 20% just a guess- people working on food production and supply, some do it efficient, some TOO efficient ruining nature with monocultures or pesticides, would it be 30% or 10% needed working on it in harmony with nature or would it fail to give us the same we have now, individualy for those places that offer "everything" - or as a basic standart from the perspective that just have a hand full of rice...both is what the system produces as a fact, none of it is nessecary by design, what could be achieved for "everyone"- in a sense of equality ...is just unwritten, unmeasured and undone.
And its hard to say it MUST and CAN be mesured, giving the why cant everyone have everything all the whys in between and at the end keeping noone from anything by design. I think that actually doingit would be less complex and hard -people accept limits that are uncorrupted and fair i think. A startup balance of fairness and then evolving in "having more" acheiveable somehow- like as a vision what could result from changing our system to a p2p system with natural hirachys coming from how good you can work with others/and OR alone but also the value of your effords most of all measured with objectivity concerning the things everyone wants to do.-given just one nature and a pool of limited ressources that force us to decide, when we cant make everything possible for everyone at any time...im trying to wrap my head around what "more" we can have doing radical change, explain somehow what my vision of just guessed possible use and impact your teachings might or could have in my thoughts.That and like asking for a comment on what could be a system that ...as being a basic alternative explainable-could motivate people to want that as a system replacing our hirachys, making a revolution happening and being a pathway for better and better micromanagement from like the day after...similar to revolutions that happened. people came together deciding the pathways on how things continue. That would in case of revolution maybe be the tv channels instructing people how to connect, get food, housing and medical care running from the very first days so there is no panic, and then within days start to form groups, that then over time get working areas, hubs being created buildings get other temporary use, designs are gathered, rebuilding and new building starts, problems get focus, every one is invited on simple things first, everything starts to be directed to where its needed, adjsutments untill something close to what i was talking about might occur anyway...analysing and promoting what is needed , asking people to level into certain directions because ..there will be need in it at a certain time in the future, or there is already too much of that or  that so the demanded specialization is higher, without ever going too wrong...looking how much people have fun in leanring medicine, then there still might come the time where medicine is something almost everyone can do , so that in case of emergency just the closest peer need to come and scan or report to a collective intelligence what problem you face ..and you be instructed what to do to help, being empowered to do things like maybe even surgery at a plae by sort of a multitool everyone has with his smartphone like transportable computer or whatever, maybe its no problem to reach every one that has an accident in a short time and have him transported to nearby hospitals, there will always be longer distances to such thing as a hospital, maybe always hubs of concentrated efford for the best result...that one person doesnt make it to, but if we store data of what happened we will always learn what would have been needed and somewhere in between there is a solution of what would be best with "common sense" facing the demands of everything, demands made up by needs first and dreams after. Many people today do the best they can, some do nothing...it appears naturally grown...but its grown under a certain system, and within us both there would be no arguing that it ruins the planet and has the tendency to take everything from everyone at the end...causing the end of our civilization if continued, by not giving much thought about limits that are not taken serious.Its just that i think people want a promise of what is "their share" in a world based on sharing, and by all the warning they fear its not much- so they live with that slight feeling of being guilty when they are threatend by things like global warnings and "us all" of being responsible for it, naturally knowing that those who live in the first world and have meat every day do more damage then the starving child being happy to have a handful of rice.
I miss the not "naive" and "utopic" calculation of what would be possible if we really would start changes NOW, radical changes on all levels of exsistance, what are the fruits of everyone can learn everything and so on.
I could endlessly continue and still maybe not make clear what i want from you and a p2p movement, to give the arguments neccesary that radical change becomes subject of debate and matter of descision towards it globally, and that STARTING with those in power first. This minority that decides what plans are made to minimize the co2 emissions in a certain time, but doesnt plan to be without atomic energy and fossil fuels at the shortest possible time, like when we would have an unarguable point of no return for death of the eccosystem as a whole, there are limited number of people that then would have to decide to just turn them down imediatly , that just ban the use of cars instantly....but and if that would be done there would be disargreement , panic maybe just people kept alive by armys of soldiers that DO still use cars, because they are then nessecary to avoid panic and anarchy and no system at all, but all that nessecary because its undeniebale if we dont shut it down were dead anyway. Its awefully written and explained im so sorry but i just had to do it
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We have to tell the leaders what to do, when we know that we could do better dont we? But knowing better is complex, and we/me is talking about the possibilitys to produce this alternatives/solutions that can just start coming after crutial changes to make up these changes by giving up dependencys of the masses to the system are made, enabling them to produce them as our only hope anyway, but then again promising much more from day one for the most taking away exploit and false descisions from the general design to the micromanagement happening around everyone when we have to decide what to eat today/tomorrow.